Racks : V - Skyrim

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:26 am

I liked how in Arcanum of steamworks and magick obscura you got completely unique reponses if you spoke to any NPCs without being dressed.

Responses? Pffft...you mean you didn't get the Pervert of Tarrant reputation for running through town nvde? I sure did...

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:17 pm

I agree 100% with the OP.

(For you Morrowinders, I will be working on a lore-correct The prosttutes Guild mod for Morrowind in the years to come, after I've finished most of Pelagiad Expanded. It'll be based off of the paucity of information that is available in TESII Daggerfall)

prostitue guild in daggerfall?

explain.

Do'tirath, your reputation was traced in the game, but it always remained at zero. The guild was not joinable and was not located anywhere in the actual game world.

You can see here that it was a regular guild of commoners; using DFHack.
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8531/42501070.jpg

Well nudity does not have to be included, as in FoNV there was no nudity, but it would add to the feeling of the taverns if there was lightly dresses nord women dancing on the tables of the tavern/inn on a late friday night. Why not saturday night too?

A morrowind graphics extender mod had a view into a tavern where dancing on tables took place and in a corner a couple was kissing, I don't see why this couldn't be added.

And yes I do want to see kids in Skyrim, chasing eachother with wooden swords in the country side. And do make them un-killable, didn't feel odd at all in Fo3 or FoNV.

Uhm, don't you mean on a late "Fredas" night? And "Loredas" night too? hehe, I just had to be a stinker about the weekdays.
yes, that mod was the Clothiers of Vvardenfell mod by Korana.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUa-71Mp7ko

Now it just needs some naked women in their rooms, etc...

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:24 am

I thought this thread would be about weapon racks...

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:48 am

Wouldn't mind more Nordish humor and such stuff. Seeing as Fallout had children Skyrim probably will too. As for the nudity I would rather leave that to mods children can get ahold of it like they did GTA San Andreas and other games and bad things can happen. Seeing as even though other games such as Black Ops having many children playing it, wouldn't suprise me for other ones.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:17 pm

I wouldn't mind if there was nudity instead of glued-on underwear, but being able to have six or even putting a lot of emphasis on sixual situations would just be silly in the context of an ES game in my opinion.
Having kids around would be okay, if they can't be killed. At this stage in video gaming, it's either featuring them immortal or not at all, and I think it breaks immersion less if kids are immortal than if they're not there at all.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:50 am

I totally agree with OP. Little else to add.

Now, will Bethesda really go this way?
Well... I would say "probably not", since there's so much hysteria about this kind of things today...

But then, publishing a game with children, nudity, six-related situations... it's going to get massive attention by media. It will definitely not be positive attention: we all know how these things go (I remember the first "Civilization" game being described as a game where your goal was to genocide other civilizations).

But, "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about" (The Picture of Dorian Gray).

With a little bit of cynicism, that would just be a lot of free advertisment for the game. That worked very well for a lot of games in the past, even for otherwise mediocre games (*cough, cough!* Carmageddon... *cough, cough!*).

So... Bethesda publishing a TES game with mature themes AND making lots of money thanks to [censored] bigotry? Yay for that! :lmao:

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:13 am

Nudity? I don't mind it. No problem if they don't though... that's what mods are for. Ever since Beth gave us the ability to mod this game series body mods were always there and honestly I don't see that changing. And if they add ability to extensively morph the body when creating our characters I think we'll finally be able to have only one body mod floating around instead of a million types (EC and Robert's for example) and sub-types (EC and HGEC for example) like OB or FO.

Actual sixual encounters? Again, I don't care really, it can be modded into the game if you prefer them.

References to six or other similar references (kids, more lore-ish stuff, etc.) to give the world more depth and make it more immersive? Absolutely! Thats' the kind of stuff you don't see added by mods.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:30 pm

People in the Middle ages weren't this conservative (quite the opposite). The level of prudishness we know today developed much later.

six, like gore, is something I don't necessarily oppose having a presence in the game. But, like with gore, I do not think it needs to be included solely for the sake of including it. "It's more realistic" is a very flimsy excuse in my mind, mostly due to the fact that the same "realism" bringing nudity mods for Oblivion and Morrowind are anything BUT realistic. You want realistic nudity? Well true realism would not be the glamor model bodies too often depicted. Going by realism, the people of Skyrim will have lived tough lives in a tough region. And, realistically, they'd look as much. Very few of them would be something to look at, let alone someone with which to engage in nocturnal reproductive activities.

As for six itself, again, I don't mind it, but it shouldn't be a major feature. Going by the realism argument is, again, flimsy in my mind. It's not like every women/man in the region is going to willingly sleep with a random adventurer. And even if you become an almighty hero, and everyone from the sea to Cyrodil is trying to seduce you, (realistically) there should be moral implications alongside that. Sure, some people are just in it for the pleasure. But most people tend to associate the activity with some level of emotional attachment. If they make it so you can nestle down with a special NPC of your choice, then great. You shouldn't be able to act like a rabbit without consequences though. Otherwise the veiled excuse for "realism" is proven to be nothing more than an excuse to include advlt content for other reasons, as seen in the 20 mil mods that feature disproportionate women wearing completely impractical clothing.

So in other words, if you want to include six under the reasoning of realism, then that's fine. But it should be presented as such, with all the good and bad included. It should not be included, like gore, solely for the sake of personal indulgence. At least not if you want to legitimately use the argument of realism.

This.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:45 pm

Comments like "^ This" or suchlike annoy me. Why can't you say something more...pronounced liked "I agree, compadre. Youdaman."?

As long as it's tastefully implemented I wouldn't have a problem with more open sixuality. For example, Nova in Moriarty's from Fallout 3 - you knew she was a workin' gal. She told you so. Other people told you so. But the implementation of her was done so that it wasn't overbearing or an issue of debate. +1 to Bethesda on that.

If they could implement sixuality in such ways to the TES universe, I think most parties would be happy.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:40 pm

"Live another life, in another world" -Oblivion motto

"But oh, there are no children in that world"

Makes me wonder how the advlts got there in the first place...

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:40 am

Youre not going to walk up to a child and swing a sword at him/her, are you? So why should it matter if they are un-killable?

Exactly. There is no reason to kill a child in game, there are serious consequences.

However, in Morrowind I killed everyone. There were no essential NPCs, so I could do that. In Oblivion? I just don't have that option.

So actually, yes, I sometimes will 'swing my sword at a child'. Because sometimes, they, like everyone else in the game world, deserve it.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:09 am

Hahaha, great quote by you...

In all seriousness, I totally agree. I want Skyrim to have more mature and serious themes than Morrowind and Oblivion. I wouldn't mind a little six and nudity, but only if it's tastefully done and not some sort of gimmick.

Personally, I don't see how you could have a six mechanic in a game and not have it be gimmicky.

As for nudity - sure, as long as it isn't in the context of a sixual encounter. Oops, did I break someones brain with that? ZOMG, nudity =/= six??? What planet do you live on, Alaisiagae?! :rolleyes:

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:52 pm

I was hoping this was going to be about better containers -- like, racks that you can easily add appropriate items to and grab items from. But briasts are fine too.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:50 pm

No. I don't want children. If it can't die, it doesn't need to be in this game. The concept of essential NPCs irritates me to no end and I hated it in Oblivion. Having invincible children running around breaks immersion and I don't want that in Elder Scrolls.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:10 am

No. I don't want children. If it can't die, it doesn't need to be in this game. The concept of essential NPCs irritates me to no end and I hated it in Oblivion. Having invincible children running around breaks immersion and I don't want that in Elder Scrolls.

I agree with you besides People will make mods that allows them to kill and [censored] the children like in fallout.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:14 pm

I say kids should be killable, they are like maggots after all, and we all hate maggots right? (In the game world I mean)

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:46 am

snip

We will not discuss that on the forums.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:08 am

Phew, long time typing so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. Nords have 100% resistance to cold

Hardly. They do have high resistances to the cold, sure, but by no means is it "100%". If this were the case, the Nords would all be dressed as lightly as the people who live in Summerset Isle, but they aren't. They are often dressed more heavily. They also would not have developed cold-resistant architecture and building styles if cold bothered them none.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:28 am

Hardly. They do have high resistances to the cold, sure, but by no means is it "100%". If this were the case, the Nords would all be dressed as lightly as the people who live in Summerset Isle, but they aren't. They are often dressed more heavily. They also would not have developed cold-resistant architecture and building styles if cold bothered them none.

It's not permanently cold everywhere in Skyrim. They have seasons and heated buildings.

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:46 pm

It's not permanently cold everywhere in Skyrim. They have seasons and heated buildings.

Excuse me, but I'm not the one who said that the Nords have 100% resistance to cold. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to argue here, I mean I was only saying it's a silly idea to think that having nearly nvde female Nord dancers in all the taverns somehow improves immersion.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:46 am

Excuse me, but I'm not the one who said that the Nords have 100% resistance to cold. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to argue here, I mean I was only saying it's a silly idea to think that having nearly nvde female Nord dancers in all the taverns somehow improves immersion.

"The Nords are a race of tall and fair-haired humans from Skyrim who are known for their incredible resistance to cold and even magical frost." - UESP

Yep, it doesn't say 100%, but has to be somewhere up there. I'd say 50-75%

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:15 pm

But briasts are fine too.

The real ones.

Children could make excellent characters. Pixel nudity is a gimmick, but if were included, I wouldn't mind.

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:31 am

Responses? Pffft...you mean you didn't get the Pervert of Tarrant reputation for running through town nvde? I sure did...

Isn't that just part of the Master of Pick Pockets quest or is it possible to obtain that reputation by just streaking?

» Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:22 am

Isn't that just part of the Master of Pick Pockets quest or is it possible to obtain that reputation by just streaking?

I think it is only as part of the quest, but as we say around these parts: "If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!" Why run around naked if you're not serious about it?

» Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:52 pm

Discussion of killing children on these forums is a restricted topic. I may come back and clean it up.

Well, I read as far as the beginning of the second page and decided there would be too many posts to edit/remove. So those who insisted on bringing the subject up can be blamed for the close of this topic.