the char for honditar was working fine for a long time so when i needed him for training he doesn't show up at the oak tree his shack or his archery practice he just seemed to disappear from the game. i have steam oblivion, with shiver and knights of nine. and recently updated the game with that unofficial patch from Nexus Oblivion. My next thought is that does he do this in the game sometimes for the story or what. i would like him back he is a cool char but dont know how he disappeared. going back to swimming i guess for Athletics Skill or if someone from somewhere is a genius can figure this one out. any replies for help would be greatly appreciated. TY all.