I wanted to play through the game by siding with the Caesar, but I can't find any motive. I guess that the Legion lacks some kind of logical explanation for being so vicious. I'd expect for them to at least care of their own, you know like taking good care of their women and children, or never let their fallen comrades bodies to the enemy etc. If they are proud warriors but not so interested in technology, and also are very devoted in keeping their way of life, I guess they would be more attractive.

I agree with abacus and john, there is too much negative about them.

So any other pro-Caesar thoughts out there? (other than no-alcohol/drugs that abacus mentioned)

EDIT: Just figured what john said about no-crime, that's a really good point.

I agree with his ideas, I just think he has gone about that the wrong way. But another point is that we don't know what the legion is like at home. They don't take care of the women and children they have at The Fort because they aren't citizens. With NCR you hear about what it's like at home but not with the legion. So you can't prove that they aren't taking care of their citizens.

The basic idea of Caesar's Legion, as he explains with Hegelian Dialectics, is that the Legion winning the war will begin to transition them out of their current state, which is abhorrent to most. NCR is the thesis, Legon is the antithesis, and when the antithesis collides with and absorbs the thesis, it creates the synthesis: Caesar's regime with New Vegas as his capital. It's still going to be a harsh wasteland, and slave labor won't be phased out, but the idea is that it will bring order that is necessary to advance civilization. Caesar believes that the NCR, with its corruption, hypocracy, and inefficiency, is the opposite of order. The question is, do you buy it?

Basically this. He (Caesar) also speaks of the Pax Romana. "Long term stability at all cost". What he is doing is exetreme, but remember, this is happening 200 years after humanity nukes itself nearly to extinction. What we feel is extreme and what a person living in the remains of a nuclear holocaust would feel is extreme are two different things.

The Legion doesn't have any citizens as Sawyer has stated.

The problem with this being 200 years after the bombs drop is no longer living in the remains of a nuclear holocaust as groups like the NCR with railroads and factories demonstrate. If Caesar was making his argument before we'd seen humanity come back from the brink he'd have a stronger case.

Don't get me wrong Edward Sallow is a fascinating man to talk to.

Both Caesar and House have zero personal corruption as far as we've seen and keep corruption of their lackeys in check. But in NCR, Kimball and Oliver are the ones doing the corruption while people like Moore who fanatically support Oliver's regime are awarded while smart people like Hsu aren't. Or even smarter people like Hanlon have to resort to breaking the law to get their message across.

"Though Caesar keeps Primm open for business, its citizens live under the constant watch of Legion soldiers"
- Ending of Fallout New Vegas (Primm Slide when you make NCR control it)

The Legion doesn't currently have citizens before Hoover Dam. But they change when they get Vegas because it's a good, triumphant symbol of Caesar's power. Or something along those lines. That's essentially what makes Caesar's Legion not a generic evil faction of slavers like in Fallout 3.

They have the organization, the background ideological values (Hegelian Dialectics, Utilitarianism, etc.), and the future success.

That's true. But Caesar's point is that NCR is making people weak and NCR is breaking apart. Whether or not he has a good case for NCR breaking apart is irrelevant: Corruption. That's another one of Caesar's points and he's right.

Both Caesar and House have zero personal corruption as far as we've seen and keep corruption of their lackeys in check. But in NCR, Kimball and Oliver are the ones doing the corruption while people like Moore who fanatically support Oliver's regime are awarded while smart people like Hsu aren't. Or even smarter people like Hanlon have to resort to breaking the law to get their message across.

In Caesar's case, it's a moral, societal thing. That's why the Legionaries call everyone who's not them a dissolute, one lacking in morals but can be redeemed by assimilation. Whether or not they're right or wrong, it's their ideology and their theme in the New Vegas storyline.

The Legion proper is first and foremost a slave army, the sole owner of which is Caesar. As Caesar conquers the peoples of the wasteland, he strips them of their tribal identities and merges them into his forces. There is no other tribe than the Legion itself. The people the Legion rules over are not considered part of the army. They are essentially subjects, living in the cities under its control. They are not considered slaves and are free to do whatever they wish, as long as they do not interfere with Legion operations or endanger its position.[7]

People living under the Legion are primarily inhabitants of non-tribal communities that existed before the rise of the Legion. In their territory (Arizona, New Mexico and other areas) the Legion enslaves tribes, with exceptions made to the organized settlements of the Mojave and NCR regions since they are considered war zones.[7] People under legion control are considered subjects, not members of the Legion proper.

Lands under Caesar's protection enjoy stability and security far greater than lands outside its sphere of influence. Traders that have to cross NCR's territories with a guard contingent can safely travel on Legion trade routes alone, without fear of being raided.[11] People who live in Legion towns enjoy a stable, consistent flow of electricity and water, a steady and ample food supply, and very low crime and corruption levels. They enjoy safe and productive lives with one caveat: never disobey or disturb the Legion. Caesar's men only ask once and the order has to be carried out without question, even if it means resettling fifty miles away at a moment's notice. This generally means that Legion subjects have little, if any, political freedom, rights, or say in what happens to their communities.[7] However, if one keeps quiet, goes about their business and fulfills the rare request the Legion has, then Caesar is a peaceful and caring lord.[7][12] Many people don't consider this a problem, as even before Caesar's rise, they had little say in the chaotic wastes.[7]