Talos: The Ninth Divine? : V

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:30 pm

Well I just posted this topic because of something that popped up in my head.

Talos was once Tiber Septim. A Man. He ascended to godhood and his spirit ascended.
However considering that he was once a man, not one of the Original 8 Divines how could he become one of them?

Like The Tribunal and Dagoth Ur, who were not originally "Gods" but used the Heart of Lorkhan to achieve "godhood" is there any reason why Talos would not be something like them?

It says on the Elder Scrolls Wiki that Talos was the "God of War".

Why is Talos the Ninth Divine? Shouldn't be be another deity or God like Vivec?

Is there something that made him one of the Divines? If so, what is it and how would he become a "Divine"?

Was it just because the people wanted him to be a Divine instead of a Mere God?

Discuss?

-Rev

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:26 am

Talos was also Zurin Arctus and Wulfarth the Underking.

The Tribunal are not counted amongst the Divine Pantheon because the Dunmer did not worship the Divines. Talos is a member of the Imperial Pantheon because the Empire worshipped said pantheon.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:00 pm

Now that's a worthy question.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

@Dean. I think that's Ysmir.... Not "Talos". Talos is Tiber Septim.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:46 pm

@Dean. I think that's Ysmir.... Not "Talos". Talos is Tiber Septim.

No. Talos is the oversoul comprised of Tiber Septim, Wulfarth and Zurin Arctus.

It is known.

» Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:40 am

He Conquered Tamriel.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:24 pm

Look to Oblivion for your answer "The blood of a divine" is needed to create a portal to his paradise. Since Talo's armor is used, this pretty much confirms his divinity.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:22 am

@DeanG.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Zurin_Arctus

It does not say anything about Zurin being Talos at all.

As for Wulfharth. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulfharth

Leading his forces was http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Hjalti_Early-Beard. Hjalti was from the island kingdom of http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alcaire, in http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/High_Rock, and Wulfharth discovered he would become the First Emperor of Tamriel.
Hjalti was a shrewd tactician, and his small band of Colovian troops and Nord berserkers broke the Reachman line, forcing them back beyond the gates of Old Hrol'dan. A siege seemed impossible, as Hjalti could expect no reinforcements from Falkreath. That night Wulfharth appeared to Hjalti as Ysmir the Grey Wind. He spoke with him in his tent. At dawn, Hjalti went up to the gates, and Ysmir followed just above his head. Arrows could not penetrate the winds around him. He shouted down the walls of Old Hrol'dan, and his men poured in. After their victory, the Nords called Hjalti http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Talos, or Stormcrown.

So Hjalti = Tiber Septim = Talos. Wulfarth is someone else. "Ysmir".

To prevent Cyrodiil from falling apart again, http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Zurin_Arctus, the Grand http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Battlemage, crowned Talos as Tiber Septim, new Emperor of Cyrodiil.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:36 pm

@Elven

But what I want to know is how did Talos become a "Divine". Did he have to do something at all?

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:07 pm

@DeanG.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Zurin_Arctus

It does not say anything about Zurin being Talos at all.

As for Wulfharth. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulfharth

So Hjalti = Tiber Septim = Talos. Wulfarth is someone else. "Ysmir".

Try http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wulfharth instead.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:42 pm

@DeanG.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Zurin_Arctus

It does not say anything about Zurin being Talos at all.

As for Wulfharth. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Wulfharth

So Hjalti = Tiber Septim = Talos. Wulfarth is someone else. "Ysmir".

Just a heads up, the general consensus of the community regarding debates on lore is Imperial Library trumps UESP which trumps the wikia you linked, being riddled with errors, omissions, and misinformation.

» Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:41 pm

@Dean

If your trying to say that Talos is

the oversoul comprised of Tiber Septim, Wulfarth and Zurin Arctus.

Even in the UESP Wiki it says

he undead Wulfharth allied himself with a man from High Rock named Hjalti, the young general http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim, whom he granted the power of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thu%27um and acted as a hidden trump card and counselor.

Wulfarth and Zurin might be the same being "Underking". But where does it say that Tiber Septim was absorbed into the being known as The Underking?