In the end...

Post » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:49 am

Let's face it, the whole ordeal with the Thalmor is karmic. The high elves had a stable goverment before Tiber Septim/Talos went in with a dragon and absorbed the Summerset Isles into his Empire. Then, some day (I don't know when, exactly), he became a god. Now, the new incarnation of the Aldmeri Dominion wants to ban Talos worship.

So, in one side, it could be revenge that's motivating them.

But, after seeing some non-TES media *cough*InjusticeGodsAmongUs*cough*, I really need to ask you something.

Did something good came out of hero worship to you? Because taking everything into consideration, the bigger a hero is, the greater a threat he becomes if left unchecked.

With that said, may fortune favor the foolish.
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Post » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:39 am

Well, Tiber did unite Tamriel. Some good did come out of it.

About the Thalmor, besides the fact that Tiber beat them, they also want to end his worship. I read here somewhere that Talos is the only thing keeping Nirn or something like that from falling apart. Should it fall apart, they will transform into thwta they were before.
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Post » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:56 am

To ban Talos and rid of his rule they hope to end the Wheel.

""To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."


To translate this:

1) The Thalmor are attempting to completely ban Talos worship. Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan and melded with the Underking/Ysmir and Zurin Arctus into the new Lorkhan, being Talos. He is the +1 Divine, not a part of the original Eight Aedra who became the Earth Bones, but instead fills the void left by Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar. Remember, the original Lorkhan is dead. His body or "flesh-divinity" was sundered into two halves (the moons Masser and Secunda - yes, those two moons are literally the corpse of a zombie god; fun fact, the sun and stars are holes poked in Mundus from Aetherius), and his Heart was thrown to rest within Red Mountain (also Red Tower, the Heart of Lorkhan being the Stone that is key to the Tower). Talos is effectively the greatest enemy of the Altmer/Thalmor. To the Altmeri, Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar is not the beneficent creator deity that Man and Beast races attribute to him, but the reason that they lost their link to the divine, becoming trapped within the Mundus and bound to the cycle of the Dreamsleeve and the Earth Bones.

Talos' presence within divinity as the +1 of the Eight is as close as has been gotten to a resurrection of Lorkhan. The only one who would be closer is the Champion of Cyrodiil. The Champion Mantled* both Sheogorath and the Divine Crusader. Sheogorath (the Sithis-shaped hole in the Mundus that Jyggalag fell into) is representative of Lorkhan's sundered divine spark (his Heart, in other words). The Divine Crusader is representative of his physical incarnation as the Champion of Man and a subsoul of Sithis (remember, Lorkhan is the benevolent creator deity to Man, because he is the reason they exist). So in essence, the Champion represents the two sundered halves of Lorkhan, making him the closest being yet seen to a full resurrection of the Doom Drum.

Now, stopping all worship of him probably wouldn't affect Talos all that much, since Tiber-Septim-As-Talos (after Mantling Lorkhan and melding with Zurin Arctus and Ysmir/the Underking in his apotheosis to full godhood) was able to achieve that state known as CHIM. But CHIM has a lot of funny notions associated with it, so it's likely that he wouldn't bother trying to stop them. All they might do is prevent him from incarnating (maybe). Possessing CHIM, he now exists above and beyond the confines of the Mundus and indeed beyond the Godhead that dreams the entire TES setting. But erasing him or minimising his influence is still a nice start.

2) As an extension of this there is the Shezzarine. A Shezzarine is a mortal Champion of Man, and is representative of Lorkhan. The Shezzarine can be the result of a Mantling of Lorkhan or perhaps as an Incarnation (following the cobblestones of drawn-bone destiny), but is a Champion of Man nonetheless, regardless of what their race might actually be. Whenever a Shezzarine shows up, the Altmer absolutely hate it, because it is representative of what binds them to the Mundus. If Man can be erased from reality (literally - they want to erase Man from reality itself) then the Shezzarine will not appear, for the Shezzarine is a Champion of Man. No Man means there is nobody to be the Champion of, or so some of their reasoning goes.

3) The last and ultimate goal, to unbind the Dragon. The Dragon is Akatosh/Alduin/Auri-El, the soul of Anui-El, that aspect of Anu which exists in opposite to Padomay. For this one, you need to understand that in the competition between Akatosh/Alduin/Auri-El and Lorkhan/Shezzar/Shor, the result became that the Ur-Tower, Ada-Mantia, the Adamantium Tower, was the first unassailable spike of reality that was the Mundus, the Stone of the Tower being the Moment of Creation. Akatosh/Alduin/Auri-El became this spike of reality, and became Nirn. Also realise that Akatosh/Alduin/Auri-El is Time, creating the flow, and Lorkhan provides the Padomaic force that stabilises it, directs it. In following him, many other spirits were also bound, among them the Mer (including Altmer, Chimer-later-Dunmer, and so on)."



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Post » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:10 pm

Snip...
This is what I meant.
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