What makes you a Stormcloak?#2

Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:34 am

Continue the discussion:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1455721-what-makes-you-a-stormcloak/

Why do you support the Stormcloaks? The cause, the man behind it or both? Is it simply because of the beginning of the game, or something else?

And why do you support the Empire?

Or do you support neither?

Note: Please give thoughtful reasons. Bcuz puppets and Bcuz Racists are not good reasons, and are not accurate.


Spoiler

My reasons for joining the Stormcloaks are:

1. Being under Imperial influence has made them a shadow of what Skyrim once was, by their cultural influence and by relying on the Empire for military might.

2. Mede backed down too easy. After the war was ended in a stalemate, he should not have accepted the elves first offer for peace. At the very least, he could have called for a new treaty after he saw how the Thalmor failed in Hammerfell.

3. Ulfric is nothing like what the Imperial supporters including Balgruuf say he is. His cause is also a noble one, and from speaking to him personally, I see no evidence of a man hungry for the throne for the sake of power itself. I see a man who wants power to do what he thinks is right for his nation.

4. Ulfric seems like the leader Skyrim needs to make it strong again.

5. A stormcloak victory is every bit as viable as an Imperial one. I know this from the evidence the developers gave us through the dossier.

6. Trade will not stop after a Stormcloak victory between Skyrim and the Empire. It is too important for both nations, and our own history shows that nations who recently fought still trade afterwards if it is truly important for their country's survival. My motto is When it comes to countries, "Survival trumps grudges". Every time.

7. The Empire would have you believe that the Thalmor would invade Skyrim successfully without them, but if you study the map of Tamriel and look at its borders, natural borders, and know anything about invasions, you'd see that it is not possible unless the Thalmor take over the Empire first, which considering how strategic it is to have the Empire in front of Skyrim, no country would let that happen no matter how big the grudge is. Nords have fought alongside Dark Elves in history before, and much more blood was spread between them. There's no reason to believe that Skyrim wouldn't help the Empire when that endangers them as well.

8. As previously stated, an invasion from the Dominion just can't work on Skyrim. There's no nearby safe port for a naval invasion, which is essential. No invasion in real life history ever suceeded without a nearby safe port to receive supplies and reinforcements. And a land invasion wont work with the Empire in the way.

9. The Empire has shown through Hammerfell's treatment that they don't care about their people, and that their provinces are expendable.

10. The Empire's spirit is broken, and they are merely a shadow of what they once were. The last gasping breath of a dying man. When they crumble, I don't want Skyrim to be under them, because when they do fall, chaos will break out, and that will only hurt Skyrim if they are still heavily reliant on them.

Oh, and those idiots tried to cut off my head with no reason or proof of me being a Stormcloak. Not as important as the rest to me, but there it is.
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Noely Ulloa
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:19 am

Being racist.

Woops. Here comes the beat down.
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Elisabete Gaspar
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:00 am

From the other thread:
House Hlaalu is ostracized and its members are considered TRAITORS by the people of Morrowind for siding with the Empire. That alone should mean that a true Morrowind Dunmer would NEVER side with the Legion, so it is either Stormcloaks or neutral.
Or toss the Jagged Crown into a lake. Nothing says "**** this ****, I'm neutral" quite like that.
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DAVId MArtInez
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:38 pm

You may argue that the man is racist against Dunmer, Khajiit, and Argonians, but Dunmer worship boethia, who is the nature of treachery and deceit and Argonians and Khajiit are well known thieves.

The stormcloaks uphold the Ideals of the Ancient nords, Ideals that Talos Stormcrown himself upholded.

Ulfric beated the high king torigg in fair combat, as is the way of all true nords.
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carrie roche
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:56 am

You may argue that the man is racist against Dunmer, Khajiit, and Argonians, but Dunmer worship boethia, who is the nature of treachery and deceit and Argonians and Khajiit are well known thieves.
If generalization doesn't make a good argument I don't know what does.
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FirDaus LOVe farhana
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:00 pm

Same as before. The Empire is on a steep downhill slope and it decided to sit down on its knees after it met the Aldmeri Dominion, making it harder to stop going down.
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Natalie J Webster
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:29 am

I feel the Empire has given up on itself. Compromising to many principles just to survive.

The Empire is just short of a vassal to the Aldmeri Dominion.
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Rudy Paint fingers
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:26 pm

This subject is almost too painful to talk about now...

='(
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Gracie Dugdale
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:58 am

I say the following in saddness more than insult

The new official song for the Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncmL69ZEJ8
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:02 am

New thread, new tune:

I'm back the fog has lifted
The nirn has shifted
and raised the dragonborn
You knew I'd be back
so pack your axe And hit the road jack
cause daddy's home
With the funky hot spells
Thick like Fish-Breath
Pumpin out hits
Gettin chips like Olfrid
[censored] I told ya, do not hate
Or question the music I make (uh)

[chorus]
I make bardic rock
and I mix it with the Hammerfell hop
I get you higher then a tree top
You wanna roll with the Kid Nord
I make northern rock
And I mix it with the Hammerfell hop
I got money like Ballin' Balgruuf
I'll forever been the Kid Nord
Forever

The junkies are, still skooma svckin
Still the same cause I ain't changed nothin'
Huffin and puffin
I got you rookies
All in check doin' the Nordic boogie
The jarl is back to retract the whack
Repacked my sack with a dual wield pickaxe
Forget all that I'm still singin'
And like kids on Imga bars I'm still swingin'
Thought I got dusty
Thought I'd get rusty
thought I'd get rich and quit oh he must be
Fat and ugly broke black and blue
But I'm trim, fit, rich and I'm back for round two
Red white and the Honningbrew blue ribbon
Dead right that's how I'm livin'
Givin you more then the frauds and fakes
They can't make the kind of music I make (uh uh)

[chorus]

The black helm is back, in original form
The ledgible creditable inevitable storm
Way past the norm, still misbehavin'
Finger in the air and the Stormcloak flag still wavin
Young hagravens don't test the boss
Cause I got this forged like Eorlund Grey-mane
You can floss and front
You can taunt and tease
But you can't fetch with rhymes like these
Thumpin' like a drum kit
With rifs that split picks
Pumpin for the kids who twist skooma and sip mead
I got the gift I'm about to unwrap it
8 ball side pocket
8 ball in my armor
Khajiit and skooma you now how I live
Can't say that Kid
Fetch off I just did
Watch me twirl like Earl the pearl
Or just keep on Kid Nordin' in the free world

[chorus]

bardic rock
Forever
Hammerfell hop
Forever
tree top
Forever
Kid Nord (yeahhhhhhhh!)

bardic rock
Forever
Hammerfell hop
Forever
Northern rock
Forever
Kid Nord
Forever (yeahhhhhhhhh!)
FOREVER!!
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:04 pm

We drink to our youth, and to days come and gone. For the age of oppression is now nearly done.

We'll drive out the Empire from this land that we own. With our blood and our steel we will take back our home.

All hail to Ulfric! You are the High King! In your great honor we drink and we sing.

We're the children of Skyrim, and we fight all our lives. And when Sovngarde beckons, every one of us dies!

But this land is ours and we'll see it wiped clean. Of the scourge that has sullied our hopes and our dreams.

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Emmi Coolahan
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:57 pm

I'm more or less neutral, pulling more towards the Stormcloaks.

Both the Empire and SC have their rights and wrongs. The Empire needs Skyrim for trade plus soldiers, but they weren't right for stripping away Talos worship and allowing the Thalmor to waltz through the Empire. The SCs have a good reason to secede from the Empire. They feel that their way of life is being taken away from them. Plus they see themselves falling with a "corrupt and dying Empire" if they don't fight for independence.

Edit: Oh and I pull more for the SCs because I'm sort of rebellious IRL so...
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:27 pm


We drink to our youth, and to days come and gone. For the age of oppression is now nearly done.

We'll drive out the Empire from this land that we own. With our blood and our steel we will take back our home.

All hail to Ulfric! You are the High King! In your great honor we drink and we sing.

We're the children of Skyrim, and we fight all our lives. And when Sovngarde beckons, every one of us dies!

But this land is ours and we'll see it wiped clean. Of the scourge that has sullied our hopes and our dreams.


Congrats on copying a song word for word from the game.

Bravo.
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:35 pm

You know Skyrim would be loyal to the Empire if the Empire was a dominate power, more out of pride than fear. But now that the Empire has stumbled, people lost there pride. And then with the Talos betrayal the people lost there trust.

Lose trust and pride and you lose loyalty.
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Elle H
 
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:50 am

One reason is the fact the Medes are only pretenders, to the throne.
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