I know little about the Ayleids besides basic crap, and I wanted to know if it was plausible to think that when they "return" will it be from another reality or time or from their hiding places on Nirn.

I kinda think the former is true, seeing as their homeland is Cyrodiil, but we don't see them at all. That said, Cyrodiil is also supposed to have jungles, apparently....

I want to know people's thoughts on this. I'll elaborate on my question if need be.

Weren't the Ayleids wiped out by their former (human) slaves long ago? I didn't know it's assumed they could return.

Read http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#8.

There are ayleid that survived and are the "wild elves", primitive scattered tribes that aren't any threat. A few hid out in the Mysterium Xarxes pocket dimension and eventually sprang out to give us the Camoran Usurper and subsequently Mankar and the whole plot of Oblivion, which is what Nu-Hatta was on about.

Isn't Chancellor Ocato an Ayleid? That would be an ironic take on history much resembling the death of Reman III and High Potentate Saverian Chorak

What's the official status of the canon on nu-hatta though? Was it found in oblivion or is it just something someone put together?

A developer put it together: MK, or Michael Kirkbride.

In terms of canon, it hasn't been referenced in any game. That said, it's "prequel" lore, if you get my meaning; it happened before the Oblivion Crisis and essentially predicts it, if not warns against it.

Also says that the Morrowind ending was orchestrated by Dagonites to bring said Crisis to fruition. Don't know who these Dagonites specifically are in the story, but considering the Crisis happened, it holds some water.

Of course it says other things too that are related to some extent, such as the fact that Ayleids made another Wheel with White-Gold as its center.

So if I can get this right, the imperial city is basically a giant portal or magic farm? AUGH! Damn you Bethesda, damn you for making a game with extremely deep and complex lore!

Ayleids never really went away.

Many integrated into other Elven societies, and after many years the human societies (after old prejudices died down).

Men like Jagar Tharn and even Ocato can claim to have some Ayleid lineage.

Other Ayleids learned to master Illusion as a discipline and still live in the wild forests of the world in small groups, able to become birds, trees or even rocks to hide from the human societies.

One, Umaril the Unfeathered, had been a powerful sorcerer and bound his soul to his Daedric patron Meridia, and cheated death several times in his campaign to destroy the worshippers of the Nine, but was finally laid to rest in his own realm, and is supposedly unable to reincarnate in any form ever again. It should be noted that he doesn't represent the typical powers, morality or appearance of other living Ayleids. He was something more akin to an unrepentant Nazi in hiding, and was a firm believer in the racial and cultural supremacy of Elves over men.

The Ayleids came from Summerset Isle and settled in Cyrodiil. They maintained fealty to the High King of Alinor for a long time, but the distance between the two locales eventually had the Ayleids becoming separated from their Aldmer brethren in Summerset. Modern day Cyrodiil was divided into Ayleidic city-states that warred among themselves and kept human slaves. Alessia rallied those slaves, and with the help of the Nords of Skyrim, Morihaus-Breath-of-Kyne and Pelinal Whitestrake, overthrew the Ayleid rule of that area.

The Ayleids did not die out. While most Ayleids were either slaughtered during the pogroms of that time, or disappeared into the forests of Cyrodiil and Valenwood (thus the term "Wild Elves"), some clung to their lands and city-states briefly thereafter.

Whatever their individual fate, the Ayleids as a whole have now either decided to live in obscurity as primitive jungle (ooops, sorry *ahem* FOREST) people or been absorbed by the other elven populations to the point that they have been "bred out".



The theory that High Chancellor Ocato is actually an Ayleid instead of an Altmer has been tossed around for quite some time. Arguments for both sides have been presented, weighed and measured. Despite the fact that none of the participants in the discussion have the ability to say whether Ocato definitively is or is not an Ayleid due to our non-dev statuses, the general consensus is that Ocato is an Altmer, not an Ayleid scheming to reclaim the White-Gold Tower for his cast down race.

May Jhunal Bless and Keep you, for I remain...


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

There never was a scrap of evidence for Ocato as Ayleid, was there?

Nope. Just conspiracy theories.

Aaaah, did NOT know this piece of info. At all.

Can you site the source please?

They learned to master Alteration. Source: http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/daughter_niben.shtml and http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/2920.shtml.

And with those words, I effectively shut the hell up on the subject.

My question has been answered. Thanks to all who replied.

I just want to say, I still liked Ocato better as a bald, mean looking human.

Huh. Now I find myself wanting to see if Daggerfall emulates better than Arena does.

He was actually covered in yellow paint that didn't show up well in the darkness.

I stand corrected then..to this scholar's eyes, advanced Alteration resembles what I'd call Illusion.

Perhaps that Illusionist who hinted that Destruction was just another form of Alteration was onto something. The magical schools of Tamriel are a construct of mortal imagination after all. In truth magic is magic, right?

If they were to return then Cyrodiil would be in grave danger since they would be pretty angry for the humans taking their home?

Yet it would be a good story line.

Just wondering that Knights of the Nine Plug-In on Oblivion is there an Or am I mistaken?

Yes, but he's a special case. He pledged his soul to Meridia so that he became part Daedric and would go to Oblivion when he died. During the events of "Knights of the Nine," he returns to Tamriel, but he appears to be all alone except for some Daedra who work with him. Given the extremity of pedging one's soul to a Lord of Misrule and the notable lack of elves in that guy's army, I doubt that many other Ayleids did the same.