Tsaesci Creation Myth

Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:13 am

Aaah, okay. Since I predate the internet by quite a few years, I have had a bit of difficulty keeping up with the anagrammatical taboos and mores that have burst forth like a linguistic supernova from the fingers of the youth. Thank you for metaphorically helping this old man across the intellectual street.

(NOW QUIT SLAMMIN' MY [censored] DOOR!) :snoring:

___The (geriatric) Word Merchant of ....:blink: I forgot.... :shrug:
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:32 am

It's boring and therefore wrong that the Emperor isn't a banana-worshipping betazoid whose mother came from the future and his father came from the past, except on alternate Thursdays when he's a housecleaner named Nelga? Is that how it works?


No, dummy, that's just Silly And Therefore We'll Consider It.



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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:36 am

And this is in the "NO [censored] SHERLOCK!" category, but these guys really do talk like they've actually been there in creation with the peculiar way of saying "we" and "you" and transmissions from the first serpents. Really, I'm not sure if they're making a big difference between them as Tsaesci and them as the actual gods.

Of course they're going to try and relate themselves to the gods, both if they're actually immortal and if they're just wanting to come off as immortal; and then there's still the argument (that isn't Tsaesci) that mortals are the gods anyway, so it still works...


Just another little something on the side:
I find it noteworthy that the first five paragraphs don't really denote time, meaning it doesn't say when anything happens (and that's how it should). Each of the first four begins with "There was", rather than a time-bound/chronological 'Then there was'; the fifth paragraph follows the same line of thought as "The Reaching came" still doesn't denote when any of this happens. Its not until the sixth paragraph "The Laying then happened", that time as a linear quality comes into play (which is as it should be since the Convention happened just before it)...
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:02 pm

Of course they're going to try and relate themselves to the gods, both if they're actually immortal and if they're just wanting to come off as immortal; and then there's still the argument (that isn't Tsaesci) that mortals are the gods anyway, so it still works...


I get you, but I'm saying that these guys really do think themselves as not just immortal, but having some qualities of a god. And you can see that by the way they refer to themselves, as if they're not making a difference as the Tsaesci who gave the lesser serpents dead-talking and as the gods who did the same thing. And not only that, but I interpreted the Reaching as showing how they managed to achieve immortality. And because of that, maybe we can't consider their view of creation to be like the mortal races'. Also probably that's why the gods aren't explicitly stated, but all of this is just a bad guess.
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:32 am

Is it just me, or does it seem like MK is DELIBERATELY avoiding this thread? Lol.

Anyway, it's now time for me to launch my assault upon this piece of myth, at least the Reaching and the Laying, however sloppy it may be:

The Reaching came, where movements of dai progressed across islands of edible communication and food-forms could stockpile. One Reaching unravelled but the Coiling at its belly made a virtual star line, which made eating lucid. We slid to the imago and Named it cunningly. The waters obeyed and dead names took up their place in the random sequence. The first serpents returned to us in transmissions that answered the alphabet-virus which we then consumed at last. By the relative dai, we egg-named it and swallowed all source-information to preserve the virus and became immortal thereby. Past the star line, dead-talking continued.


Perhaps a Reaching means reaching in the sense of "reaching an end or extent;" a point of resistance. The dichotomous nature of TES could also suggest that the Reaching that unravelled is Aetherius, outside of the other "Coiling," i.e. Oblivion (or maybe moreso Nirn; I get "potential" from Coiling), which creates the Firmament (star line), which makes eating (absorbing? don't have their idea of "eating" pinned down yet. Been slacking in my attention to this myth) lucid, i.e. a possibility understandable to the Tsaesci now. Imago-sliding probably is growing to their final shape (I think the Convention is happening/'bout to happen or something like that), and cunning Naming probably means doing it in a fashion difficult to other mortals. The first serpent's return (Convention) answers the AV (don't ask why I did that; pro'lly laziness...tired of typing that word), which I guess is, vaguely interpreted, perhaps an idea the Tsaesci had, the return of the Aedra "answering" and thereby proving this idea, in a sense. Consuming it? Eh, bringing it to fruition, I guess. Swallowing source-info is preventing other sum'b*tches from doing the same, I'd presume, and egg-naming is creating either IN the "Egg" or IN THE FASHION OF the Egg's creation. Perhaps both? Dead-talking is perhaps the contemplation of the other (Anu-aligned or just all?) et'Ada contemplating what the hell's going on, what's going to happen next, what are they gonna do, etc.

Ugh, that's the best I could do right now. For the record, it ain't liked I've ignored other's interpretations in this post; quite the contrary. Merely gave my slant. And I currently ain't done with this post. Just a lot of damn typing and thinking.
On a side note, it's probably obvious than a sum' b**ch, but I feel like "IMMORTAL. VAMPIRE. SNAKEMEN." is metaphorical to some extent.

edit:this is random as hell, but I'll ask it, as it FEELS relevant: what are your ideas on http://www.imperial-library.info/akavir/index.shtml
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:04 am

Now, maybe I'm looking like a country bumpkin walking in on a discussion of my betters, but does anybody else get the impression that there are nearly as many overlaps between this creation myth and the Dwemer outlook, as there are between this and the Yokudan creation myth?
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Post » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:36 pm

In terms of how they appear to have a viewpoint that is a bit more bold than the other myths, yeah you could say that in relation to the Dwemer.
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:08 am

I sorta hate "bumping" threads, but I really don't want this thread to die yet. So here is my take on the Laying

The Laying then happened, and we moved into forms that had been granted from the source information of the first serpents, which was gold-walking, which is pattern. The scales became intertwined in the random sequence with music that ate forever, which we fed with you. Low forms created a seeking egg but we fed it to the music, too. Then the Biter-Shedding grew sideways into the reception field and knew a Coiling and mastery was ours borne from the calculations. The final name was Tsaescence and we ate it to become it and there are no more variations.


I interpret the first sentence as the laws of nature and the Earth Bones being created and the Tsaesci discovering a way to avoid the "egg-naming inversion?" The next line falls into that same vein, though I feel that one says that perhaps the "scales" are now "caught" in time (the random sequence with music that ate forever" or maybe the Worldskin in general? "Growing sideways" I guess is spreading out; "filling the Wheel" so to speak. Tsaescence, put colloquially, could be the "stuff CHIM is made of," borne from the "calculations" of Nirn, i.e. the "true purpose of Tamriel."

I can't help feeling like some pieces of that are horribly deduced. But whatever.
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Post » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:36 pm

I can't help but feel like there's something more that we're not pickin' up here. Maybe I'd just like it to be more than the Monomyth: Edition 12. :P

I guess this post is pointless, but my thoughts are already posted and discarded. Still curious to see what others may add.
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:58 am

Eating = becoming that which is eaten.

The dragon eating its own tail.

That which is eaten is "lain", or "excreted".

Balls of dung.

Scarabs rolling them up.

Trinimac to Malacath.

Boethiah saying "go forth in the skin of your enemies".

Walk like them until.....

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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:58 pm

Ahh. Thought so.

Thanks for that sir.
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Post » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:31 am

No problem.

:bowdown: AE JHUNAL CE ALTADOON! :bowdown:

All language is based on meat.

"My name is alive."

The true name of [god] is "I".

"V" does not equal "I".

"I must be removed to refill the Heart."

"Our duty is to keep the Compromise from filling with black sea." (i.e., Mudus being invaded by Oblivion).

"You must be the letter written in uncertainty." Ever wonder what letter it is? It is "I".
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