House Redoran and black roses

Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:25 pm

This is a portion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rose_%28symbolism%29#Video_games on black roses...

In the Elder Scrolls universe, black roses are a symbol of savage beauty and romance, though they represent realised, rather than idealised conceptions of these things. These flowers grow only on the isle of Vvardenfell and the Great House Redoran is especially proud to put them on their family crests and coats-of-arms. Although called black roses, they may range in shade and can be black, though are often ash-grey, with very delicate petals through which light may shine to produce a chillingly beautiful effect.


Huh? :huh:

How? When? Where? Have I forgotten something?
Telvanni - Rose, brown
Redoran - Scarab, red, black rose???
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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:54 am

As the slow days slipped by and her train rode a winding road eastward into the setting sun, around her rose the steep-sided mountain slopes of Morrowind. The air was thin and a chill late autumn wind blew constantly, but it was also rich with the sweet spice smell of the late-blooming black rose, which grew in every shadowy nook and crevice, finding nourishment even in the stoniest slopes. In small villages and towns, ragged dark elf folk gathered along the road to cry her name or simply gape. Most of her knightly escort were Redguards with a few dark elves, Nords and Bretons scattered among them. As they wove their way into the heart of Morrowind, these grew increasingly uncomfortable and clung together. Even the dark elf knights seemed somewhat uneasy. Barenziah felt at home, felt the welcome extended to her by this land. - Real Barenziah


That's all there is.

Anyway it's wikipedia, slab one of those handy tags for un-sourced claims or original research on it.

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Found the culprit.

Notable features of House Redoran are their extremely strict observance of traditional Dunmeri burial practices and the time-honored continuity of ancestor worship. They are also known, on the whole, to be enamored with the symbolism of the delicate wild black roses which grow exclusively in Morrowind and which are highly prized for their savage beauty and rarity by outlanders, and it is quite common for Redoran coats-of-arms to in some way involve the rose as a symbol of the beauty and romance which the House stands for. House Redoran's main building is set in Ald'ruhn, a city located in the Ashlands west of Red Mountain. - http://elderscrolls.filefront.com/info/province6

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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:10 pm

The black rose is also mentioned in the well known LGNPC mods. Maybe the author of that Wiki article got his information from these mods.
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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:13 am

In the Elder Scrolls universe, black roses are a symbol of savage beauty and romance, though they represent realised, rather than idealised conceptions of these things. These flowers grow only on the isle of Vvardenfell and the Great House Redoran is especially proud to put them on their family crests and coats-of-arms. Although called black roses, they may range in shade and can be black, though are often ash-grey, with very delicate petals through which light may shine to produce a chillingly beautiful effect. Their symbolism in The Elder Scrolls very closely mirrors that of their actual symbolism in the real-world Goth subculture, as noted above.

Some enthusiastic wiki-editor aspiring to be a poet.

My favourite ever was an article on Venetian masks that has since been removed, but it was so good that I copied it down. It read like an Italo Calvino short story and an outrageously fabulous cautionary tale. To think, this was something in an encyclopedia :

Venetian masks have been worn in Venice, Italy, since antiquity.
Unlike the vast majority of their counterparts in contemporary European nations, each citizen in Venice enjoyed a high standard of living. Everyone was part of the great economic machine that was the Republic. Venice was capitalizing on its position, on its gains, long before its contemporaries had realized the value of a market economy. With a level of social wealth unequaled since, the citizens of Venice developed a unique culture?one in which the concealing of the identity in daily life became paramount to daily activity. Part of the secrecy was pragmatic: there were things to do, people to see, and perhaps you might not want others to know what deals you were cutting. After all, the city is relatively small.

Additionally, the masks served an important social purpose of keeping every citizen on an equal playing field. Masked, a servant could be mistaken for a nobleman?or vice versa. State inquisitors and spies could question citizens without fear of their true identity being discovered (and citizens could answer without fear of retribution). The morale of the people was maintained through the use of masks?for with no faces, everyone had voices.

As a result of the concealment of identity, however, people naturally found themselves taking advantage of the situation. The society grew ever more decadent. The immense amount of travelers coming through the city meant that sixual promiscuity was commonplace and acceptable. Gambling went on all day and night in the streets and houses, even in convents. Women's clothing became more revealing; homosixuality, while publicly condemned, was embraced by the populace. Even the nuns and monks of the clergy, bejeweled and dressed in the latest imported creations, wore masks and engaged in the same acts as the majority of their fellow citizens. Rome turned a blind eye, as long as the Republic continued to make generous donations.

The Republic fell into a state of luxury, indolence, and moral decay. Eventually the wearing of masks in daily life was banned and limited only to certain months of the year. During the last year of the Republic's existence, this period extended for over three months from December 26. It was gradually shortened into the week-long festivities that now comprise Carneval? ( Carnival of Venice), elsewhere known as Mardi Gras.

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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:49 am

Black roses were first mentioned in the Arena character generator, sorry, don't remember the exact quote. But that's where I got the inspiration for the above quote from TRB.

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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:51 am

Black roses were first mentioned in the Arena character generator, sorry, don't remember the exact quote. But that's where I got the inspiration for the above quote from TRB.

Mara


Good to see your post, Mara.

I missed the section on black roses when I read the book, I have to admit, but the description is evocative.
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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:14 am

Know ye this also: Thy race is as deadly as the thorns of the black rose which blooms only in thy mother's briast. Thou hast all that is graceful in thy brothers of day, yet thy mother is the moon, and thou art her children of the night...


Is the exact quote.
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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:18 am

Some enthusiastic wiki-editor aspiring to be a poet.

My favourite ever was an article on Venetian masks that has since been removed, but it was so good that I copied it down. It read like an Italo Calvino short story and an outrageously fabulous cautionary tale. To think, this was something in an encyclopedia :



lol

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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:37 pm

I guess I've missed black roses before, or deliberately ignored notion about them simply because I haven't seen them in game.
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Post » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:44 am

I guess I've missed black roses before, or deliberately ignored notion about them simply because I haven't seen them in game.


Someone in TR knew and put them in the mod.
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