Something that Really Bothers me : V

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:29 pm

Theres a dragonborn spoiler and minor main quest spoiler ahead, just a heads up.

Ok, so

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as the dragonborn, we can learn shouts. INCLUDING shouts that we only hear spoken, like when Esbern tell us Odaviing's name in the MQ to summon him.

So, why cant we learn shouts like this anywhere else? Mainly,

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when Miraak uses the shout to immediately harvest the souls of the dragons and kill them.

So, if we can just hear a shout spoken and all of a sudden be able to shout it, why cant we do that with the aforementioned shout?? would make dragon fights a helluva lot easier

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:20 pm

Gameplay ...

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:16 pm

Because that would be a cheap and lazy way to fight dragons. See one coming? Done!

Dragonrend made fighting dragons almost impossibly easy enough what with repeatedly blasting the dragon to make it stay on the ground while you chipped away at its health.

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:53 pm

you would have a choice not to use it though, if you choose, the gameplay would be no different, i was just saying how i didnt like the fact that we couldnt learn it the same way we learned other shouts

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:40 pm

Well in the two that you use, one shout are words of power while the other was not, at least for dragons. There is nothing forcing the first shout to have any effect, so and so comes of his own free will. Now we do learn dragonrend just by hearing it but I take that as a mortal already knows what means to be Mortal, Temporary, and Finite. We just needed to learn the translation. While the last one is something from the dragons (I'm guessing) there for based around their own knowledge which you will need to steal to use.

Just a guess.

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:48 pm

Bend will is cheap too as they will land right beside you and calmly await you to kill them

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:32 pm

But then the Dragonborn will be OP!

» Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:53 am

Same reason you don't learn Alduin's dragon raising shout.

» Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:18 am

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I remember a TVtropes fridge brilliance explanation for summoning Odaviing.

The theory goes that calling Odaviing isn't an actual Thu'um shout; instead, it's just you calling his name very loudly, leaving you very hoarse, hence the long cooldown.

» Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:47 pm

Yeah, Odahviing and Durnehviir make sense because you're just calling their name - no knowledge of how it really works needed.

Dragonrend works, too, because as someone in a mortal body, you inherently understand the concepts that make the Shout - Mortal, Temporary, Finite. These concepts are literally impossible for dragons to comprehend in the context of themselves (which is a context you make when you hit them with the Shout), which is why it works so well. While Bend Will, like other Shouts, isn't really something you'd understand without Dovah knowledge.