So...is anyone a little...worried about how there handling these two items? Molag Bal the King of [censored]...is turning into the prince of Plots...What the heck?! (I thought that was Boethia's "circle"?) Furthermore, Dawnguard established threw Serana, that Cold harbor isn't a pleasant place...(As did that book about the Planes of Oblivion. Describing it as a snow-filled wasteland.) In this its...all soul-cariny.

Well, I think it was mentioned before in this forum that Molag Bal has been referred to as the King of Plots in TES before.

But, rest assured, he's still also the King of that-horrible-crime, enslavement and harvesting souls. You take one look at the Wailing Prison in Coldharbour and it's no doubt this definitely screams (I make pun!) Molag Bal's domain of enslavement.

Molag Bal is the God of Schemes, according to Varieties of Faith in the Empire, written by MK way back in Morrowind. And Cold Harbor has always been a shadowy wasteland mirror of Tamriel. The Doors of Oblivion never describes it as snowy, but rather as a "future Nirn...desolate and barren, filled with suffering."

Ah my mistake then. Remembered something wrong.

I saw the trailer for TESO about it, and it didn't appear like how I imagined it in my head. (And were those...Dremora?)

Yeah, I don't remember snow in Coldharbour either. It was very dark and gloomy. The Wailing Prison is a dark dungeon filled with torture devices, bodies and furnaces. The outdoors of Molag Bal's realm is equally as gloomy with mis-shapened rocks and whatnot. But I certainly don't remember snow.

Yeah, they PC'd the intro a bit and avoided using the four letter word. That was actually the first thought through my head when I watched the video.

That said, Coldharbour looks like it's actually coming along nicely. Not that this is saying much, but I would call the whole Molag Bal arc/cult in Cyrodiil the most interesting part of TESO so far shown.

Although the anchors being... literal anchors is a bit much.

I have to say, I love what ESO is doing with Coldharbour. Representing him as the God of Schemes was just a PR-move, true. Though it is technically accurate, it is indeed pushing the issue of his sphere's true center to the side. But I'm not worried, because they can't abandon Molag's core sphere of domination and rápe and slavery and corruption and so on, his core sphere of insatiable greed and desire. If they did, they wouldn't have any content. And if you take a good look at the public information and what we can discover from leaks, his actions and intentions in ESO fit his sphere perfectly. Even the detail of dragging Nirn into himself is fitting: Invading Nirn in the same manner as Dagon or even approaching and directly enveloping Nirn would be out of character.

And, as an aside, in regards to conflation with Boethiah, their Schemes and Plots are very different. Molag Bal's scheming is scheming to retain and gain power, the sly plans and traps set by the paranoid king and the greedy merchant. Boethiah's plotting is scheming to take power from others, to fell kings and leaders and so on. Their scheming and plotting are centered in their spheres proper, directed towards very different goals.

Regardless of past descriptions, Coldharbour in ESO looks spectacular. You have gloomy skies and streams of soul-white water and complex magitech machinery and so on, and it is all so very fitting, so very interesting, so very cool. In my mind, if a new representation takes a more interesting spin, the new representation takes precedent. Apocrypha wasn't originally presented the way it was in the Dragonborn DLC. The details match, but who honestly originally imagined it as the tangled (and beautiful) mess that it was portrayed as rather than as a neat, endless library? Apocrypha's original description even notes shelves; do you remember seeing anything you would describe as shelves in Skyrim's Apocrypha? Yet Skyrim's Apocrypha was much more interesting than the original image. I'm more than happy to replace the original image with the new image in the case of Apocrypha, just as I am in the case of Coldharbour.

However the rest of the game turns out (I'm staying optimistic about the factions, but there are always the scattered Ayrennesque details getting in the way of that), the Planemeld and Coldharbour look to be turning out great. I'm excited to learn more about them, and about the Soulless One.

Apocrypha was incredible in Dragonborn. It didn't look like what I imagined it would from descriptions - it looked better! I can't wait to see what some of the other Daedric Realms look like in future Elder Scrolls games. I'm still anxious to see what Peryite's Pits look like.

Someone on the lore forum with concerns about TESO? Get in line.

Coldharbour looks exactly how I imagined it. Although I had thought of it to be a bit more reddish like perhaps Mehrunes Dagon's Deadlands. Either way, I think it looks perfect, especially seeing http://zam.zamimg.com/images/a/1/a1fa2f3442413fab0324b3e847c8e8ff.png depicted in ruins. It's one reason why he is one of my favorite Daedric Princes. As for what you said OP, I cannot recall a time where I heard Coldharbour was snowy. We'll also being some Daedroth again considering they're mainly associated with Molag Bal.