» Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:13 pm Again, sources please. If every major settlement recognizes the super mutants as threat, you should have no trouble coming up with proof.
For reference, here's what I'm talking about:
"You know the Wasteland. Imagine trying to get fresh water to every known settlement, without getting it stolen by Raiders or Mutants. Now imagine doing that without any trained soldiers or military resources because they've all been exhausted fighting a little war with the Enclave. " --Bigsley
You will undoubtedly try dismissing him as not credible, but really, he's at the center of the entire water distribution debacle and he has the most complete picture. And guess what? Raiders aren't a non-issue and neither are mutants. That's a pretty clear indication that Lyons failed utterly.
Then you also have a quote from Manya you conveniently ignore:
"It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to find enough parts to build walls and houses from nothing. The scrap was there, why not use it? Besides, it's sturdy. It keeps the Raiders and the dust storms out. Not all of us had the luck to be born in a vault, you know." --Manya Vargas
I'll look for more when I have the time, but after a cursory examination, there's very few references to mutants being a problem.
Again, sources. There's no indication whatsoever that Lyons' action depleted the supermutants' reserves of FEV in Vault 87 or that they significantly impacted their presence in the wasteland. As the game itself shows, the supermutants are still plentiful in the wasteland, despite Lyons' men hunting them for over twenty years.
You're constantly speculating and trying to pass it off as proof.
So Autumn is ruthless and efficient. Sounds liek the kind of leader a lawless, disorganized wasteland dominated by raiders and mutated wildlife needs. So what if he shot a pawn to make a point? He isn't meant to be some kind of St. Buddha Gandhi meant to liberate the wastelands, bring happiness, freedom, and guilt-free orgism to everyone.
And, again, provide proof that Autumn was responsible for the Enclave's transgressions. Concrete proof, like the one I provided with a quotation provided by Eden that shows Autumn disagreed with Eden's extreme methods.
As for natural growth, don't make me laugh. The Capital Wasteland has been incapable of rebuilding civilization for two centuries. Why would they suddenly start now? Because some power armored clowns shot some green ogres in a deserted city that has no impact on the wasteland proper?
Step one: Board Vertibird
Step two: Glass supermutant outpost and kill the mutants from a safe distance using vehicle mounted weapons, including Gatling lasers and micronuclear charges.
Step three: Repeat until you run out of targets
You seem convinced that a groundpounder war is the only way to get rid of supermutants. It isn't. The Enclave can also set up forcefields at major entrances to the D.C. to herd the mutants in, collapse buildings to create impassable barriers, and place patrols on the rim of the city to cull any supermutants that attempt to egress.
So, basically, instead of galivanting around the ruins and suffering attrition in the process, do what any reasonable military commander would do in this situation: contain the threat by isolating it.
Quite simply: supermutants are incapable of proper organization. They're disorganized rabble without proper military hierarchy or discipline. They'd be easily routed and destroyed by any half-competent military force (i.e. any faction that doesn't suffer from the mental handicaps imposed by Fallout 3's numerous plot devices).
You mean the same President Eden that claims in his broadcasts to come from Kentucky, promises the restoration of baseball teams, as well as the restitution of pre-War educational programs? You might as well start citing Soviet propaganda on capitalism or Marx on history.
The other quotes are nothing new and don't indicate that the mutants are a major threat. Seagrave simply notes that the mutants decided to duke it out with the mirelurks (since V87 supermutants are morons, by and large).
Manya's quote doesn't imply that the supermutant threat is major either, as they're basically another threat apart from the raiders. And, as the quote from Manya I posted above shows, the only threat Megaton faces by 2277 comes from the Raiders. Nobody dismisses them.
YEs, the supermutants are a problem in downtown D.C. However, there are no settlements in downtown D.C.. No human habitation. There's nothing of immediate value there to anyone in the Capital Wasteland. Sure, you can find some tools or some terrible 200 year old food rations, but all human settlements are located outside the Washinton D.C.
Why on Earth would anyone try to settle D.C. when there's plenty of places to settle down outside of it? Plenty of open spaces and even surviving pre-War buildings to claim as a nexus for building a new settlement.
I really don't understand why you use the example of downtown D.C. to show that the mutants are a major threat. They are a threat only to people who come to D.C. looking for trouble, like the Rangers or the Brotherhood.
Big Town doesn't really factor in, since it's a sister settlement of the single most stupid, unfitting, inconsistent, and completely out-of-place location to ever appear in the Fallout games, Little Lamplight. Accepting it means accepting deus ex machina as a crutch, which is bad form in every instance.
And yet you haven't answered how this advanced technology is going to be used to cover the basics, like digging wells, building new houses, plowing fields, planting seeds, rebuilding the infrastructure, providing basic medical care, education, and all the other "mundane" things that are essential to rebuilding civilization.
The Brotherhood did recover some cool tech. But you're consistently ignoring the fact that they have no knowledge of maintaining it and would have to reverse engineer it in order for mass field deployment. That's assuming they have recovered significant quantities of it; since the Crawler and Raven Rock, the headquaters of the Enclave and their primary stockpiles were ground to fine dust (the former with an orbital nuclear strike), I'm not sure why you claim there's a plentiful supply of Enclave tech. Plenty has been recovered from outlying posts, defeated patrols, and non-Crawler stockpiles at Adams, but the primary stockpiles are all gone.
Cherry picking sources, aren't we? I've given you a source. You choose to deliberately ignore it, just like you do with all evidence to the contrary.
Additionally, Manya isn't specific as to what exactly constitutes wolves, so it didn't prove anything. Second, the depletion of FEV is your own conjecture, not reflected by anything in the game.
And bleeding themselves dry in the process. Lyons is apparently turning his chapter into a charity, which will ruin it. Just ask Bigsley, the guy at the center of everything.
