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For me, I'd be interested in finding out how everyone else felt about abandoning Talos worship.

Especially if they considered him to be the new form of Lorkhan.

Good riddance.

I'll probably have to pass on this thread, at least for the time being. Last thread got too vitriolic and semi-off-topic for my tastes, and I make it a policy not to drag arguments from one thread to another (even if it's the previous thread's successor), especially arguing over a topic that may never be resolved to all parties' satisfaction. I'll admit I was kind of hoping the line of arguing would be put to an permanent end, regardless of whether or not mine was the last word put in.

No offense to the OP, of course. Good luck on getting relevant answers.

To actually say something relevant to the topic at hand, I suspect that Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, and High Rock were all a lot less bugged about the ban on Talos worship than Skyrim. I also imagine that despite this, there is worship of Talos going on in all of those provinces.

Talos ban was genius as was Southern Hammerfell.

Split your enemy from the inside. How the Empire didn't excpect Hammerell and Skyrim to hate them after the WGC is beyond me. Talos (Ysmir) ban angers the Nords and of course Southern Hammerfell angers the Redguards. Get rid of those two and your main enemy now consists of Cyrodiil, one of the easiest nations to invade in Tamriel and High Rock who is now bordered and surrounded by two provinces they've just ticked off.

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Them not receiving Leyawiin comes from the novels. Supposedly Mede said they were never able to have the city acknowledge his rule or something. Someone else who's read them can confirm for me. But no, I don't have evidence and can't claim it as fact until someone does.

As for the Alduin comment, Tullius getting lucky and ambushing Ulfric isn't relevant, what is is that he was able to gain so much support at all, and after he escaped, Tullius wasn't able to reproduce the same result. That pretty much proves it was a fluke and not a showing of Imperials and their ability to suppress internal problems. If he could reproduce that result, it would be different.

It's like a nerd on the basketball team about to get a lucky three point shot, but by some act of god, an earthquake shakes the rim and he misses, and he can't do it again. Then having his teammates say he's an excellent shot.

I can't see how the Empire would benefit at all from the WGC...

I'd actually argue that Hammerfell benefited the most from the WGC indirectly of course. While the Redguards got the worst deal at first, the WGC was what sparked off a chain of events that led to the secession of Hammerfell from a weak and dying Empire, unified the province and it's people as a whole for the first time since the First Era and it's people are now completely free to do as they please. Of course this is based on what we know so far.

The Dominion has it's spies and agents working around the Empire while the Empire has completely lost it's former agents the blades who actually knew crucial stuff about the Dominion while it's current agents the Penitus Oculatus are likely in shambles

The whole "Empire is bidding it's time with the WGC" schimick is laughable.

That is more or less what some people in-game say. Some even call it a "Thinly veiled peace", so its rather obvious that they are still hostile to one another.

From the last thread:

Tullius does send to High Rock for aid. There's a dialogue with Rikke that mirrors the one between Galmar and Ulfric.

Yes, Mede I says "Leyawiin has never acknowledged our rule." That was 10 years after his ascension. AFAIK, we don't know the current status.

The Talos ban is not the only objectionable part of the Concordat. The fact that the empire decided to appease the Thalmor at all, and allow them access to their territory, is a slap in the face to anyone who fought to prevent just that from happening.

Talos is important, and as much a God as any other, I think the ban on his worship is disgusting, if for nothing else than as a unifying theme for the Empire, and as a limitations of religious freedom in the otherwise cosmopolitan Empire.

It also illustrates how far the Mede Empire is from the Septim Empire, despite their attempts at claiming legitimacy and consistency.