I hope this is the right place to post this. I'm having a strange problem. After I complete Kindred Judgement none of the Volkihar clan merchants have the dialogue to open their barter menu, nor do the trainers have the option for training. In fact none of them seem to have any options except "What can I do to help?" except for Garan Marethi who has the option to restore the passage to the courtyard. Modhna and Namasur don't even think I'm a vampire, they are saying their "Don't talk to me, meat." and "I don't converse with my prey." lines. None of these problems appear before the quest is complete. Before Touching the Sky is complete, everything is normal. Afterword, everyone seems to have their proper go see Harkon lines, nobody will have an actual dialogue, but that's normal, right? Then after completing Kindred Judgement everyone is suddenly in the state described above. Can anyone help?

This should be in the spoilers section, furthermore, if you want people to help, you could, at least tell on what platform you are playing.

Ah, sorry. And I'm playing on the PC.

That seems like an odd glitch. You could try getting cured and having Serana make you a vampire again. That will most likely get it sorted.

It is a very odd glitch. I'm somewhat wondering if it might be modding related, but I can't think of any mod I have that might be messing with Kindred Judgement, and that is definitely when the error starts. Anyway I did try having Serana turn me again and it was a no go, although I did it by having Better Vampires reset my vampire status and not by doing the cure quest (and oddly that left the Vampire Lord power that I had to remove with the console before I got the option to ask Serana to make me a vampire, even though everyone at that point was recognizing me as a mortal and telling me to get Serana to fix me). Since it didn't work I reloaded without saving that little experiment so as to not potentially make things worse. So if that is likely to make a difference and the Vampire thing is likely to be the problem I guess I can try the quest. I don't really know all that much about this stuff but my very uneducated guess was that it might have something to do with the faction settings rather than the vampire thing since only those two vampires treat me as a mortal and I'm being denied faction services. Although if I wasn't being recognized as a faction member, would they be offering me the misc. quests?

I thought about that as well, but I didn't know the faction IDs for the DLC. I looked them up in the CK and you could try adding yourself via console.

DLC1VampireFaction - xx003376

DLC1VampireCrimeFaction - xx017f71

As you probably know the leading "xx" should be replaced by the number in your load order. The DLC quest giver faction is separate from those and I'm not sure how that works. Good luck.

If it was the problem, wouldn't I need to set myself to a specific rank in the faction to get everything working right or does that not matter?

Try --> player.addfac xx003376 2

That should get you set up.

Thanks for the ID's but this doesn't seem to solve the problem.

I'm not sure, but, well, you just killed their boss... Can you still use Serana as a follower?

Yes, I can still use Serana as a follower. Well, I mean she already is my follower (She's required for Kindred Judgement, right?), but I tried dismissing and rehiring her during the whole cure and have her turn me again thing, before I realized that the reason I wasn't able to get the option to have her turn me was because I still had the Vampire Lord power. Anyway, she seemed to stop following and start again just fine.

As for killing their boss...well according to the little speech Garan Marethi gives in the Cathedral that's just supposed to make them like me more, so I don't think this is intended behavior. Unless you are suggesting that being in combat with Harkon caused some kind of glitch with the faction. I don't know about that but they aren't hostile or anything.

Can you get http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Destroying_the_Dawnguard from Garan?

As for the factions, did you manage to add your player to them? Your answer wasn't clear about that. Generally Dawnguard has the prefix 02; to make sure of this though, click on Serana and see what are the two first digits of her ID.

Last question: are you sure that your vampire mods are not screwing the game?

I've tried asking for quests twice (Since it's the only dialogue available) from two separate saves (I think), both times I was directed to Feran Sadri who then gave me the ancient power quest, I haven't actually gone and completed the quest (nor for that matter did I save after receiving it either time). According to the article you linked to in addition to having completed Kindred Judgement getting Destroy the Dawnguard requires you to have completed several side quests for the Vampires, so it seems I wouldn't be able to receive it right now even if everything was working properly since I haven't done any of the side quests yet.

When I input the addtofaction commands they went through (no error message was returned) but nothing changed nor was any indication given that I was added to a faction if their should have been one. To test if it was working I then used the command to take me out of the faction and it made taking anything in the castle be marked as stealing (though oddly no one treated me any different than they were before) so I guess I was inputting the commands right.

No, I don't know nearly enough about the game to guarantee that it isn't one of my vampire mods causing the problem, but the problem is very specific to Kindred Judgement (I reverted to an earlier save before Kindred Judgement and there was no problem again, just as it had been the first time.) and I can't think of any that should be affecting anything around that quest. (The closest is a castle Volkihar overhaul that waits to make it's changes until afterwards but I tried again with it disabled and it still didn't work. And actually I didn't add it to the load order until after Kindred Judgement but before I'd fully noticed the problem anyway. The first symptom I noticed was the two filler vampires seeing me as mortal.) Edit - Oh and there is Marriable Serana, but I don't think it interacts with Kindred Judgement other than indirectly though the Valerica coming back to the castle event that happens after the dawnguard questline is over.

I suppose it's possible that the problem is actually being introduced after Touching the Sky and merely being hidden by the quest specific dialogue of Kindred Judgement, but I have even less that should be affecting that (I think literally the only mod I have even vaguely related to that is an artifact overhaul that includes Auriel's bow.) At some point if no one has a better suggestion I may reload a save from before Touching the Sky and play all the way through to the end again, but Touching the Sky is LONG and I thought I would at least ask around first.

The "Don't talk to me, meat" line is usually spoken to a non-Volkihar vampire. That's why I originally thought that your vampirism got screwed up somehow. I'd still recommend that you do the cure quest and then get Serana to turn you again. It's not nearly as involved as the Oblivion one and doesn't take too long to do.

My character got this one too, and he's not a vampire at all.

Ok, I did the cure quest and had serana turn me again. Still no change.

Interesting. The only times I've heard it are as a vanilla vampire or when I add myself to the vamp faction via console. Otherwise I don't usually talk to vampires since they generally attack on sight.

I can't think of anything else to try since I don't use any vampire mods. Good luck.

Thanks for trying.

This one was supposed to attack on sight but didn't, so I activated it thinking that it would solve the problem.