So I have thought about making this for awhile now and decided to finally post it. And to all of those saying the Enclave is dead please, stay off this forum because you people have no evidence what so ever. So now let me get to the point.

(Fallout: NV) 1. Arcade Gannon says the Enclave left to many different location's after Navarro. There could be more in the wastes.

(Fallout: 3) 2. near of the Broken Steel DLC at Adams AFB there were several Vertibirds that left and even more before Adams.

(Fallout: 3) 3. There were scattered encampments throughout the waste's that probably got word about the destruction Adams AFB.

(Fallout 3) 4. Now this is a possibility, Hellfire Armor what about it? Where was it made we don't know. What if there is some factory or organized remnants making the Enclave armor?

(Fallout: NV) 5. We still don't know about Chicago and the log from ED-E

So theres my point guys. The Enclave isn't dead and Ive stated my facts.

The Enclave as a faction is pretty much dead.

There could still be remnants, but as with New Vegas they probably just live 'normal' lives. There get together in New Vegas was for special incident.

1. They could have left on the way to Raven Rock, IE Chicago outpost

2. They could also just be retreating not going to another base

3. Proof?

4. Actually in game they say it was made at Adam's AFB, funding went from the eyebots into Hellfire

5. That also means that they could all be dead/gone

Remnants. They are nothing but remnants. No one is denying that there is remnants.

The problem with your thinking is that you think remnants could and will equal thousands upon thousands of Enclave that control the whole Eastern half of the United States or the Midwestern United States and that isn't the case.

All the Enclave in Fallout 3 came from Navarro. Navarro was the only manned base the Enclave built on the mainland United States and it was built for a reason and out of what could be called desperation. The Enclave were happy on the Rig. The Rig was safe from contamination, from mutation. But the Enclave discovered that the mainland, the West Coast of the United States had armies of Super Mutants and other mutants (including humans) were increasing to unsafe numbers. "They might discover the Rig" type responce happened.

So the Enclave created Navarro. They went to Mariposa, Vault 13, Arroyo and New Reno to get what they needed to create the Curling Virus and Vaccine. The Rig was destroyed killing all the leadership and the bulk of the Enclave. The only Enclave that survived were those at Navarro and Navarro wasn't even fully staffed at the time.

So that means the Enclave in Fallout 3 were remnants to start with. They would have been the ones to establish the Outpost(s) in Chicago. The Group that headed East were only apart of the group that was at Navarro. The others that stayed at Navarro were either killed in the battle with NCR or gave up like the Remnants in New Vegas had and tried to start new lives, only to be hunted by the NCR and Brotherhood of Steel.

The scattered little groups throught the DC area are also Outposts and they only had a couple of people at best. If you don't count respawning for game play purposes, there aren't that many Enclave in Fallout 3 and Broken Steel.

Lyons and his people said they would hunt down any that survived.

So a group of people if they still hold on to "we are the only pure blood humans" will not mix with outsiders to rise again.

Also Helfire Armour and all that was built at Raven Rock/AAFB also destroyed.

The only place the Enclave existed other than the Rig was Navarro. Navarro was an under manned outpost. All Enclave we see in Fallout 3 came from Navarro. There aren't large numbers of them out there with a huge base and all that. Raven Rock was their last hope and it was destroyed. AAFB was destroyed. As an organized faction with any real power or threat, they are all but dead. If they remain as organized group at all.

I never said there could be thousands. And lyons may have said that but they might have escaped.

Actually you have, many of your other posts and threads that you have made and I could be mistaken but there is a person with your name and avatar on the Fallout wiki that posted a fan made map with the Enclave controlling the Midwestern United States.

So yeah in the past you have said they "control the Easten United States" and with the constant making of threads like this, I can't help but think you still believe that.