I am so sick of these CTD's, can't play or enjoy the game... : V

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:17 pm

All of a sudden I have been starting to get CTD's in my game, I have been using the same MODs, since I started a new game with a fresh install. It doesn't make any sense as the crashes occur after the game has encountered too many enemies. It just crashes to the desktop, no warning, nothing. Just close out. I don't get any freezes though. Or no infinite load screens, ever. The papyrus has no information, at all. No errors, no script errors nothing.

Specs: i7 3770k, 32GB of DDR3 Ram, sli gtx 670s.

This is how I test, to see if disabling any mods at anytime worked or not:

I go into an open field on Skyrim's main map, just anywhere, just a big open area, with almost nothing around. I spawn about 50 bandits, I can fight them for about 20 seconds before the game just CTDs. If I say spawn 100, it crashes after about 2 seconds.

So if I playing the game just normally I can play for awhile, because I encounter you know, 3 -5 enemies at a time. Once it reaches to a certain point it just crashes. it will keep going but once I do anything else like the item menu, or magic menu, whatever, it crashes. It's whatever that last thing is that pushes the game over the edge.

I can't imagine which MOD is causing this, because honestly none of these mods change the LEVELED lists, except SkRe. But like I said, this is a brand new game, and I was playing for hours until and this started happening. It's so damn annoying now, I can't even enjoy this game ever because of the crashes.

I am also using the latest Real Vision ENB, with latest ENB (245)

So can anyone help please, and tell me what to do.

1. I have cleaned MOd's with TES5EDIT.

2. I have a bashed patch.

3. I always use BOSS.

Here are my mods:

Spoiler

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Falskaar.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

BBLuxurySuite.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Dragon Break.esm

JSwords.esm

MagicDuelReborn.esm

ORS_MorthalPain.esm

ORS_SolitudeGate.esm

SPIKE.esm

XFLMain.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

AOS.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

DragonCrownCraftable.esp

EbonyCrownCraftable.esp

ElvenCrownCraftable.esp

GlassCrownCraftable.esp

OreMerchant.esp

ORM-Arvak.esp

Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp

SaderHorses.esp

SmelterOptions.esp

JSwords_Load_Screens.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

UIExtensions.esp

SkyUI.esp

LessIntrusiveHUD.esp

Angelic_Demonic.esp

Bigger Badder Lich King Version 2.0.esp

Bigger Badder Lich King additional Smaller Versions.esp

BlackSacramentArmor.esp

BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp

DaedricCrownCraftable.esp

Davjes_SorceressArmor.esp

DemonHunterArmor.esp

Dragonbone Weapons.esp

DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp

DwarvenMech.esp

el_gildeddoubletsetcolor.esp

EternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp

HBetterBows.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

ISD_Dragonspear.esp

isilNarsil.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp

Mystic.esp

SamuraiArmor.esp

SilverDragonArmor.esp

Silverlight Armor.esp

Song General Armor&weapon.esp

Thanatos Dragonx.esp

Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp

Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp

viciousdawnbreaker.esp

Warglaive of Azzinoth.esp

ZeldaMod.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

AOS_SkyRe Patch.esp

AOS_SkyRe-AFTER Patch.esp

BBLuxurySuiteExt.esp

BBLSHousecarlsmovein.esp

BBLSspouse.esp

BBLSVisitors.esp

BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp

Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp

PATCHDragon Break.esp

HillHouse.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

ORS_ChaptersLinker.esp

ORS_DremoraUpdate.esp

sjel blad castle.esp

Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.esp

The Fifth Gate.esp

Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

towHarvest.esp

Undeath.esp

xamnant.esp

AchieveThat.esp

AncientDBarmorTSedition.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp

DawnguardDawnbreaker_HolyFireEd.esp

ImmersiveFP.esp

Killable Lootable Children for Hearthfires.esp

Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp

ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

AOS_COT-DG Patch.esp

ELFXEnhancer.esp

Better Vampires ML.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Colorful_Magic.esp

MasterTheTimeAndSpaceTOGGLE.esp

SmartCast_1_0.esp

MagicDuelReborn - Shouts.esp

SummonShadowMERCHANT.esp

Enchanting Freedom.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

Artifact Disenchanting.esp

Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp

Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp

FormsEdit.esp

StavesofSkyrim.esp

Vampirelordroyal.esp

Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

3DNPC.esp

XFLConfig.esp

XFLDialogue.esp

XFLPanel.esp

XFLPlugins.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-XFLPatch.esp

SBF All In One + DLC.esp

BTRH_Tomoe.esp

Kitiara.esp

BrhuceLegacy.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

Better Summoning Visuals - TheGreyLight.esp

ReProccer.esp

rk_Followers CBBE.esp

KhalSpellmakingMod.esp

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:10 pm

Are you using Safety Load?

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:42 am

Yes but with safety load off, the game will freeze instead of crash, same difference. Except with the freezing it's more annoying to get the game to close out.

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:46 am

Where is the bashed patch.esp ??

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:55 pm

I added it later, to try and fix the issue, made no difference. Item loaded faster in my inventory, but nothing more.

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:44 pm

Please help, because I am pulling my hair, out. This is a clean save, a clean install. I don't get it, i just don't get it. Whether I spawn 50 things at once, and play for awhile, or I just play it just wille ventually crash.

I seriously can't enjoy this game or play, i spend 99%^ of the time troubleshooting the game.

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:54 pm

If you disable ALL mods (except for DLC and related USKP patches), do you have a perfectly stable game?

Do you use any texture, eye candy and model mods that do not have .esp's ? They can be problematic as well. It need not necessarily come from .esp mod that you get the crashes.

Edit: Do not misunderstand, I mean no offence bust just for information: Do you have much experience with modding the game? Ideally you have modded Oblivion before. In case you do not consider yourself an experienced modder, I politely suggest you cut down on your modlist. It is very long.

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:47 am

I will try disabling all mods, except Skyui, and unnofficaly patches, and ill report back. I wanted to avoid that, but whatever. I know it's a mod, but it makes no sense on which one it is.

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:47 pm

Please see my edit, you do have a long list... :-)

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:32 pm

Yeah I have been modding Skyrim since before the creation kid. I also Modded Fallout 3, and Oblivion, and i never had this many issues before.

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:49 am

You complained about the random CTDs, and these CTDs are caused by Safety Load. Unsafety Load would be a more appropriate name :smile:

If your problem is infinite load screens, then rather remove mods that add high resolution textures or anything else that requires allocation of large chunks of memory.

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:31 am

It's not random though, it happens after awhile of playing. but ic an speed up that process by just spawning enemies to fight, after 50 or so enemies total seen, the game gets unstable and crashes.

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:05 am

Do you have any links or something about Safety Load causing random CTDs? And how can you be sure that these particular CTDs are caused by it? I've been using it a long time w/o issues. On the contrary, it has resolved some issues, such as making it possible to return from Solstheim, which was all but impossible with my mod list before installing Safety Load.

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:22 pm

@badpeoplesvck

ok then you know what you are doing. :tops: I'm afraid I'm pretty much clueless other than suggesting the radical approach of un-installing mods until it gets stable again. Sorry.

@schlangster

Really? Wao, Safety Load is not so safe?? I have it, better get rid of that then... (I got it when I had a few infinite load screens while being ignorant of where they came from. I since cut down on many Hi-Res stuff anyway)

» Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:30 am

Well of course wiht 90% of the mods deactivated it stops crashing, but that doesn't help me. I know it was one of the MODs. Ill go through each one loading up each one to see which one it is.

Edit: yeah I can spawn like 500 enemies now with no crashes, with high res textures on and ENB. So Now I got to pinpoint which mod corrupted the character.

» Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:54 pm

I noticed an increased amount of CTD reports, in particular in the SkyUI comments, since Safety Load is around. But that's subjectively.
And people occasionally post screenshots of visual artifacts in the UI, followed by CTDs, which looks like a sign of memory corruption to me. That one is definitely caused by Safety Load.
If it introduces some kind of fault to memory allocation that wasn't there before, you can assume that it can cause random CTDs. I don't know why, how, or when.

I generally won't recommend you to not to use Safety Load (note the double negative). It prevents a certain kind of error, which is good. Its mod description also states that there's a chance it can cause problems, and it evidently does so for some people. Nobody reads descriptions, which is not the fault of the mod. However, its name is "Safety Load". Something that has a potentially negative impact on correctness of memory allocation is not my definition of safety.
So what I will do is, if someone reports random CTDs, and has Safety Load running, I'll recommend disabling it.