Copyright?

Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:53 pm

Hello Bethesda I Need some help here, I'm a youtuber who wishes to record videos while playing you're game Fallout New Vegas, I would like to know is there any problem here and if there is any copyright issues thanks, TheCreatureOfCanada

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Stephy Beck
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:29 pm

As long as you make no money of them, then as far as i know, you should be fine.

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Conor Byrne
 
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Post » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:01 am

Bethesda has not any troubles to use their games for youtube gamvideos even if they are monitized afaik. The problem is the ingame music on youtube.

Some firms claim the music and some of them even if they don't have any right to do so. As the system on youtube is now there isn't much you can do about it. So the best solution is to not use any ingame music at all for LP. It's not Bethesdas fault it's simply youtubes extremly broken system.

There is a reason why AlChestBreach shoots all radios :smile: .

Its my personal opinion and experience what I have seen on youtube. I am no lawyer and have no connection with Bethesda.

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Dj Matty P
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:30 pm

I want to monetize my vids to make cash, so as long as I don't use music I shouldn't be receiving copy right letters?

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aisha jamil
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:09 pm

In YouTube's current state you're throwing yourself at the mercy of their automated Content ID claim system which causes no end of trouble for people uploading game videos. Not only is the licensed (or even public domain) music an issue, but even the specific ingame score. Usually game soundtracks are also published by third party companies, and that's going to include the music on their Content ID list. The end result is a system where every single party that might even have the slightest most far-fetched connection to the game content is going to come at your video like a hungry pack of wolves. You can dispute the claims and you're pretty much always in the right, but that stuff can take a long time and it's "guilty until proven innocent" in its current state.

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Miragel Ginza
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:18 am

English Please, Can I Upload Fallout Nv Gameplay Videos With No In Game Music Or Any Music Whatsoever..........I monetize my vids as well all of them because I want to make money......will there be any copyright issues?

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Carlos Rojas
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:29 pm

English Please, Can I Upload Fallout Nv Gameplay Videos With No In Game Music Or Any Music Whatsoever..........I monetize my vids as well all of them because I want to make money......will there be any copyright issues?

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Connie Thomas
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:58 pm

Possibly, since you would be making money off someone elses IP.

Might be better off PMing a mod and getting them to pass to one of the community reps here.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:35 pm

Then that is where you may run into issues. The game itself is copyrighted. Bethesda allows Let's Play, they even like that they are out there. They are not going to support you making money with the Let's Play.

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Chelsea Head
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:44 am

So say I just want to make a vid with no music for the sake of making it will there be any problems

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:03 pm

That should be OK.

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neen
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:38 pm

As long as you aren't making money off it.

But Sesom is right about Youtube being broken when it comes to music. I made a video of Fallout Tactics' intro and it got flagged as "third party" because of the music, but the music as far as anyone can tell is orginal to Fallout Tactics. I guess it sounds to much like another song or something.

My issue will be when we finally get some info, such as teasers and trailers. Will we be able to show them? Free advertising, but I don't want some music company shutting my channel down.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:55 pm

You will most likely be able to get way if you claim "Fair Use" and say that you are suing it for educational purposes

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Umpyre Records
 
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Post » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:28 am

But how is a trailer for a game "educational?"

I think Gstaff said they were working on the issue of music in their games when it comes to people making "lets play" videos and such. When Youtube did some changes to their policies and rules apparently alot of Bethesda "lets play" videos were taken down and Youtubers warned because of the music in the video.

In the past with posting the intros that do have music, you would see "third party" posting from youtube. You don't get in trouble but some countries will not be able to see the video. Not sure what the deal is now. Maybe the same :shrug:

Youtube hasn't said anything to me, but it comes out of the blue.

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Josh Trembly
 
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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:37 pm

You can pretty much claim everything is educational, say that you are informing people of it. Say who made it and link to the website, state you do not own it and they most likely won't shut you down. In fact I'd be surprised.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:17 pm

I see, I will do that then. I am not making money and I don't want to even if I could. I want to promote/educate people on Fallout and hopefully future Fallouts :fallout:

Hopefully they actually have people who see the videos before they just shut them down and not some program.. I am thinking it has to be a program because there's thousands of hours of youtube videos uploaded in a week alone.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:13 pm

To be perfectly honest with you, copyright law in the US is so byzantine and so arbitrarily enforced that if you really want to be safe, you should probably consult with an attorney who deals with copyright law.

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Post » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:36 am

You don't get your channel shut down. You are getting a claim on your video (that's different then a strike, 3 of them can lead to a shutdown). That means some company claims the music as their own and gets the money from advertisments on your video (even if you are not a monitized channel). You get a strike after you are disputed the claim several times and the claimer regrets your dispute. Interestengly are most of these claims false and disputing works almost everytime (not always) some of these firms have even automated services to remove the claim. But don't forget these firms already have gotten what they want because the most valuable advertisment time is when the video has come out. After 3 months there isn't much advertisment value anymore (that's the time the disputing process needs in the worst case).

Thinking about that youtube actually has agreements with a most of the societies for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights internationaly (like BIEM, CISAC, AKM, ...) same as TV stations actually there isn't much music that these firms can claim. Youtube is paying already. They do it even with clearly and well known creative commons licensed or bought work (incompetech.com or videocopilot for example).

Also if you do your research these mass claimers have mostly no agreement with the societies for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights or the individual artist they claim for.

So it's pretty safe to assume that all of this is a big scam scheme. Not the societies for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights getting the money from these advertisments, neither the artist. Google and a obscure firm who plays the victim in public (because the have so much work because of youtubes broken system they say) are the ones who profit here.

About educational: I would be very careful. In a real copyright dispute this wouldn't work. You have to be a established institution to use this claim. I worked as producer of a TV show for 6 years and had very long talks with a specialzed lawyer about copyright law (the local law in my home country, but the principle is the same).

Again I am no lawyer don't have any monetized videos but have put a lot of research in the nonsense that is happening here after unrightfull claims happend on some of my videos. I try to keep my channel complete adfree.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:43 pm

If you claim fair use, you can't make money on it. So you shouldn't have ads on the video either. If you make money, you can't claim fair use because you aren't using it... fair. :D

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:32 pm

Yeah I am no lawyer either, just a Fallout fan. If I do run into problems it wouldn't be because of Bethesda. They are pretty fair and know they have fans and youtube goes hand in hand with promoting their games. So long as no one is making money. Problems will come from another party.

I don't want any trouble. Also we are dealing with the internet and laws are different all over the place, people change policies all the itme and it's all in legal speak. :blink:

Lucky for me I don't make money on it, never intended to and don't want to do so.

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Post » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:39 pm

Yeah its a program that looks for it and then people sit down and review the videos, so it can depend if the person reviewing is a jerk or not but for the most part as long as you explicitly state you don't own it and are using it for educational purposes under fair use you should be fine.

Not true, if the company has a problem at first they will most likely only get the video pulled and if you continue then they'll warn you and then go after your channel. If you continue after this then they will bring it to court and it gets bad then, because they will win.

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