Please hear me out fully before you label me. I'm not trying to cause a big fracas, but as I've been browsing articles on the UESP and as I've just played the game, I've come to realize the simple fact that this game has a lot of easily fixable bugs. Bugs that the unofficial patch has fixed that console gamers do not have. I simply wanted to pose the question, is Skyrim too buggy to earn a free pass?

Now I know we all bought the game and we all love it. I am currently playing through for the umpteenth time and am loving every minute of it. I also realize that Elder Scrolls games have always given more to those who put imagination into it. Not everything is perfect. However, I never expected perfection from this game, but I did expect it to work. By and large, it does, but when you look into items and perks you see that values stated are not true (such as the value for blocking) and there are discrepancies in major questlines (getting cured of lycanthropy does not negate dialogue from guards or stop your in-game werewolf day counter). These are small examples as well, I'm not trying to list them all for you. I'm sure someone already has anyhow.

I guess all I wanted to know is, do you think this game is too buggy? Please feel free to expand upon your own views. I know that I will not be buying the next Elder Scrolls game without seeing how it stacks up in this department, simply because as a matter of principle, I feel it is unacceptable for a game to contain so many bugs that seem to be present due to laziness or miscommunication. You can say they are minor and I know they gave this game a lot of post game support, but there are still a plethora of bugs that console players can't avoid, and that will continue to plague a great game. Bethesda owes it to their series, to themselves, and most importantly, to their fans; to do better.

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse. I'm more interested in seeing peoples views on this subject than anything.

Its not as bad as Fallout: New Vegas to name one. There are a lot of problems, but in my opinion, it doesn't make the game unplayable.

I think any game as complex as what the Elder Scrolls have become (complex from a programming perspective) are bound to have some issues.

I've played over 2000 hours on PS3 and Xbox, and never encountered any serious bugs or problems that ruined the game for me.

Discrepancies, yes they definitely are going to exist in a game like this, but for the most part I can overlook them and don't break immersion for me.

Whether it is buggy or not, nothing is going to happen, Bethesda is DONE with Skyrim

Incorrect, they owe you nothing, you are not entitled to anything.

The horse is less than Pulp by the way.

Yes, it is amazingly buggy. But people give Bethesda a free pass every time so that won't likely change anytime soon. One only has to look at the unofficial patch notes to see the incredible amounts of bugs this game and all of Bethesda games have.

I personally think its buggy, especially on the PS3.

The fact that I have to:

-Play janitor or the game lags

-Keep minimum saves or else the game lags

Or the fact that:

-Snow flurries either crash my game entirely or make it freeze or lag

Or the fact that I have encountered a few bugs now:

-One is the mount dragon bug that everyone has experienced with the DLC dragonborn. Miraak remember steals the dragonborns souls. So after trying to fix the bug several times, I had to actually give up on said request and restart the whole entire character all over again because I didn't want Miraak taking my souls forever and ever

-Another quest in Mistwatch, the husband dies, the wife dies. Yet for some reason the quest remains in complete in my [censored] journal. The husband is dead you would think the game would register that, but nooo

I have experienced a numerous amount of graphical glitches. A dragon crash lands and does the dirt ditch, but the problem was the dirt was spiraling upwards into the sky. For a week in the game.

The fact that they never official fixed farm animals giving you a bounty

I could go on and on about the problems I have experienced

There are some weird bugs you can encounter, and playing janitor isn't exactly fun to put it nicely.

But most of my sessions follow without any issues, so I'd never say this game is so glitchy that playing it is a struggle.

Of course they do. Bethesda lives on because there are people that approve of their product and purchase it. You, me, us.

It is. But I can manage.

If you're on the PS3, then no it shouldn't get a pass. On 360 it should be highlighted as to the bug problems but not as bad as the PS3, which I blame 50% of it on Beth and the other half on Sony.

I voted no. I play on the 360 and it is not so bad. There is nothing major that bothers me, and the occasional "flying" mammoth does not bother me. Other than these things, there is nothing but minor stuff that I really pay no attention to for they do not stop me from playing and do not interfere with me playing.

Game is Buggy yes buy its not the end of the world something that can keep you away from playing this masterpiece

All Beth games are a little buggy, I guess partly because they're so complex. Morrowind was buggy but the unofficial patches and later, the code patch, made it the least buggy to date. Oblivion was buggy and still is. I installed it with significant problems on day one and have always had problems with it on three different computers and two different OS. I still can't get it stable with mods and have given up trying. Skyrim is actually pretty good in its basic state and with the UOP I have no real problems. I don't like the fact that removing mods is such a risk; it seems like a serious step back from Morrowind (although that's mainly thanks to the CodePatch) but by now, I have a stable load out so it's not a problem.

Bugs are malfunctions that make the game unplayable; this is something many people conveniently forget. No, Skyrim is not that buggy; I don't need the unofficial patches. Plus, if something has to be fixed, and minor things that do not break the game have, I fix them myself.

Considering how vast the experience Beth has created, there will be bugs. And on the positive side, their presence has created an extended community of talented developers creating patches as well as enhancements to the overall gameplay experience.

Part of its charm Sir is where I am going with this.

"There will be bugs?" Wasn't that a feature flippit with Damian Donald Lucas?

Is it very buggy?
Yes
Do I exprience many bugs?
No. and I haven't had a single bug for a few playthroughs. The last bug I had was the draugr eye bug.

I would agree that it is buggy, I think us more experienced players do however know now how to get around these problems after many playthroughs. It's not so easy for newcomers to the game though which is quite evident by the questions we quite often get on these forums about issues with regard to Skyrim. I remember on my 1st playthrough I hit a bug in the thieves guild questline which stopped me advancing or completing it, for the life of me I couldn't work out what the problem was (Healga had vanished). There are many similar problems throughout the game which to a new player could cause major issues or actually put them off playing all together which have never been addressed and I assume will now always remain in the game. Lets hope the next instalment is better tested as some of these bugs can be extremely irritating to say the least.

I have experienced Two Three Game breaking bugs.

1. I could not enter very far into any Ice Caves on 11-11-11 at all.

2. I could not enter the Time Wound by reading the Dragon Scroll, an update occured as I was filling out the Bug Report to Bethesda.

3. Using Vahlok's Shout during Civil War Fort Battles has caused multiple CTD's for Myself and Others. I just do not use the Shout for the Civil War Battles anymore.

I have been known to refer to Bethesda as Bugthesda, but I will still by the next Fallout or Elder Scrolls Title.

To be called "too buggy" would require for the game to have serious gameplay breaking bugs. These have been mostly eliminated. Questlines can be completed in vast majority of cases without issues. Thus I voted "no".

Yes, there are issues particulary on PS3 but that's more about squeezing the game on to platform which is barely enough to even run the game.

Bugs in games of this size are to be expected. It is an immense amount of work to locate and fix all the bugs.