While I do like Ulfric and fight for him on all characters (I only make Nords anyway..), I can't help thinking there's more to him than meets the eye, and I'm not sure I like it. Yes, I have read his Thalmor Dossier but it didn't tell me much beside the fact that he was tortured and brainwashed.

I bumped into Ralof yesterday on my latest character and he said he has heard some things about Ulfric that he doesn't like. I wonder what that could be.

Oh crap, you just opened the doors to oblivion man.

But for what its worth, even though i hate the SC and side with the Empire. if i wanna give a none biased answer i would say that i've i always felt the same way about Ulfric. perhaps he was supposed to be more fleshed out, but all that was cut out just like the civil war questline? or they just intended to make him that way. or maybe he is just using the whole rebellion for his own self interest (which i think is the case).

Ulfric is a very complicated, gray figure.

I think that's why Ulfric is such an interesting figure. There's just more to him. Even though I don't like him, he's probably one of the most fleshed out NPC's in Skyrim.

You either love him or hate him.

There is a lot people overlook or want to ignore because they rather see Ulfric as some kind of pure hero, though that's clearly not the case. Ulfric is a gray character, he has his ups and downs like everyone.

The civil war's true purpose is a Thalmor plot to weaken the empire while trying to get rid of as many Talos worshipers they can, they didn't actually want either side to win but people tend to look at that as "The Thalmor are afraid of a Stormcloak ruled skyrim" which is far from the case, it's more of they can't hunt down the Talos Worshipers.

We also have the implications of Ulfric being racist due to the fact that it's his decree that the argonians are banned from windhelm. People have counter argued that it was because of the Dunmer but we must look at the facts that.

1. The Dunmer show no hatred for the argonians save for the one who pays and orders the argonians around but even her racism can be dismissed as seeing her employees as lazy, which wouldn't be surprising if they did a half-ass job because they are forced to live in a run-down housing that they have to pay for.
2. Free-winter tells us it's Ulfric's followers that are causing trouble for the Argonians, that's why they can't instantly come back into the city.
3. If there was supposedly this tension between the Dunmer and Argonians why do we have one argonian as being scheduled to have gone to the New Gnisis Cornerculb, a Dunmer bar? If the Argonians were being harassed by the Dunmer surely he wouldn't have gone there and talked to multiple Dunmer.

Honestly, I don't think Ulfric is a great guy, I don't even think he is as great of a warrior as some people claim he is to me he is just another loud mouth politician who likes to hear his voice because to me that's how he is shown. I know some people want him to be this epic great guy who fights for religious freedom or some crap (which is funny when you consider it was him who lead the charge to retake the reach and force the Reachmen back into basically slavery under a oppressive force.)

Finally I don't seem him as a great guy because he allied the Vignar to let the stormcloaks raid and sack the Battleborns and he allows his troops to harass Imperial owned businesses, not exactly a smart move.

Ulfric is the 2nd coming of Talos

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I really don't like NPC's who refer to him like that. You even have some comparing him to Ysgrammor.

It's sad people on these forums have this twisted hero worship of him based off of nothing.

Do you mean Skald the Elder and Thongvor Silver-Blood. I hate them too.

I don't mind Ulfric. To me, he's alright.

Besides,

My character is a bit more sinister than some like to believe.

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I agree. I have come across more people on the internet who have a fanatical and unhealthy hatred for Ulfric than those who fanatically admire him.

Both statements are true

I don't hate Ulfric I just don't agree with what a lot of people say about him like

1. He is a great warrior
2. He is an great leader
3. He is a great politician

He proves to be none of those things.

He is a great warrior.
he is a great leader. Look at his loyal army.
Not sure about politician. He's a bit of dike during season unending but so is tullius if whiterun is under Stormcloak rule.

We have nothing to really prove he is a great warrior though, the only battle we've seen him win without doing the civil war in the Markarth incident and he used the thu'um instead of his physical prowess alone. I see nothing to consider him a great leader or warrior, the loyalty of his army is mostly because the stormcloaks think he'll rebuild skyrim to a great nation, restore Talos worship and attack the Dominion head on with only the nords. I only see one of the things happening and I'll tell you now, it's only the restoring Talos worship.

If anything given the state of Windhelm he shows himself to be a rather incompetent leader due to the fact he can't even govern his own city.

True, but I've run into people that are so obsessed with him, they militantly insist every flaw Ulfric has is either a lie, misinformation, or Thalmor taking undue credit.

Of course, it is still true that Ulfric is often unfairly demonized and hated. I certainly don't hate him, even if I can't bring myself to join the Stormcloaks. As I said before, he's a very gray figure, much like those he's fighting against.