Nah.

That will be their go to option if they fail to get a large enough playerbase to support the current payment option.

More than one month till release i can only wonder how many of those "suggestions" we gonna see.

First: if you want to suggest something to the developers, try to contact them directly. They arent going to notice this thread: even if they read this forum, they just cant read every single thread.

Second: what makes you think that after years of development they are going to change the payment model right now... because you suggested so?

Here is another idea: if you like the Secret World's optional sub, go play the Secret World.

I hope the pay to play model is going to stay as long as possible... the best would be forever !

good idea.... for Secrets World game, not for ESO. Big thanks for care, but I hope ESO will not need your advice.

eeem.. yeah... not everyone wants to play a b2p/f2p game with a cash shop, p2w aspect and schoolgirl outfits. There are far too many mmo's like that out there already. An elder scrolls game should not get that low.

Realistically, eventually TESO will have to drop subs, unless you believe in the tooth fairy you should realise this. It's just how gaming is. TES fans will stick with it but there are far more casuals out there who will not. What they do will be the deciding factor for me whether I carry on playing. I hope they go for the GW2 model and not that shop and optional sub where you have 2 tiers of players.

I'd like to know how someone knows how many "casuals" there will be

asked all your facebook friends?

Casuals will always outnumber hardcoe fans, it's a fact of life. And just by reading this forum you get the impression most people are casuals even if they are Elder Scrolls players and played past games. Look at LOTRO and SWTOR, why did they flop miserably? Because the casuals left in droves to move onto other things and only the hardcoe fans stayed, which isn't enough. That's called being realistic.

Plus this Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/02/08/the-elder-scrolls-online-should-choose-between-60-up-front-or-15-a-month/

There's a world of difference between Star Wars/Lord of the Rings fans and Elder Scrolls fans as far as games though. The first two are a pair of movie/novel franchises that have been adapted, badly in most cases to a gaming media Many SW/LotR fans have NEVER picked up a game based on their interest. Elder Scrolls was born as a game. How many ES fans do you think have never player an ES game?

If you read the Forbes article I gave the link to you would find the same thing can be applied with this game. TES games have always been single-player. MMO's are completely different and hence the same things applies here. Also, not true, there were single player games of both the LOTR franchise and Star Wars way before the MMOs came out, huge successes of games especially Star Wars ( i.e. Knights of the Old Republic) so your statement about most of these people never having played a game based on their favourite franchise is simply not true.

I'm a big fan of TES and have played since Daggerfall, but I'm also realistic. As I said earlier I was on the forums when LoTRO was being developed and remember people saying "we will have enough DLC content for 20 years" and I remember I was laughing at them. Yeah ok, 20 years, you forget though that: graphics change, people move on get bored whatever, new games come out, summer comes people go out...many many tangibles. So unless you want to believe fairy tales....

edit: Anyway, why is eventually dropping subs and going F2P or adopting another payment model such a negative thing? GW2 provides a very polished game with masses of content being F2P...

I argued for this very thing before payment models became taboo here...

It really is a solid business model, which pretty much balances out on both ends of the ftp/sub spectrum. I have not really followed TSW's progress for quite a while. When they downsized to the point where the could no longer guarantee regular content updates, I lost interest. I fear that will be TESO's fate as well. I have yet to see an MMO other than GW2 that has managed to actually sustain regular content delivery. They have all PROMISE it, but NONE have managed to deliver.

That's why I am generally opposed to subscriptions. I accept that TESO will have one, and am willing to give the game a chance. But I do not like the idea of a company guaranteeing new revenue from me without me being able to guarantee new product from them. It's too much like a scam, in my opinion. I've watched too many MMO developers ride the subscription gravy train all the way to the bank every month to make me feel any different. Maybe ZOS will be different.

I believe in a 1:1 ratio of trade. I give them money I expect content in return. I know a lot of people HATE mictotransaction stores, but at least if I spend money there it is on what I want and only when I want it.

I'm sick and tired of microtransactions and cash shops.

Why do people not realize that you end up paying two or three times as much monthly on stupid crap from a cash shop than you would with just a typical monthly subscription fee?

Because some people have regular jobs and some don't. Subs are fine for the 9 to 5ers, but not all of us are. I could have a lot of free time one month, absolutely none for the next three or four months or so. I will only give this game a shot because it's the Elder Scrolls, otherwise I would not because it's not value for money. I don't think I'm the only one.

People talk about f2p negatively, in my opinion how GW2 did it was the best..pity I can't stand the game because it's so childish.