ESO "new lore" discussion

Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:47 am

Now that NDA on ESO was lifted maybe ( and I know that I sound like a beggar and generly awfull poster )some nice poster who got in to Beta could share some info so that we can start to have some discussion about stuff that ESO has included , changed. Praised it or damned it . All in all disect.

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Grace Francis
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:12 am

...Is this a trick? Has it been lifted?

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Del Arte
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:10 am

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/02/14/the-beta-nda-has-lifted

Note however that you shouldn't share screenshots from before now, as those were never allowed under the NDA.

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Heather beauchamp
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:35 am

Has anyone met the Tribunal? Sotha Sil especially! And what about the Maormer, what role do they play?

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Lyd
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:10 am

From the little bit I've played the beta they seem to want to sabotage/destroy the Dominium. Single Maormer have been shown to be able to summon stormclouds,

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while their groups can use ritual sacrifices, daedric bindings and such to create fierce storms, capable of destroying islands

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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:12 am

Okay. So...seeing as I've been something close to an ardent defender of the game (or at least I've advised cautious optimism over knee jerk negativity), I might as well talk. Although I don't want to ramble. This isn't a gameplay review but I have minor reservations about the "feel" of the game. This largely rests in a poor experience with my first character, who was an archer. It didn't quite work the way I'd like and other games have done bows better but I also think that it if a player really specializes in stealth, it will work a bit better. Melee combat felt substantially better. So, yeah. Some concerns on that front but nothing that panics me. Then again, I've never been one for panicking.

The game shines in PvP. Cyrodiil is massive and the experience is very enjoyable. I greatly appreciated GW2's WvW and this certainly does it better. So, if that's your thing, you're in good hands. The designers know what their doing. But I'm pretty sure a lot of them are from DAoC so that would explain it. Lore folks make a fuss about how the Elder Scrolls can be captured but it really is just about faction morale. Sure, there's mechanics benefits but that's not, like, explained as mundane application of the Scrolls power; it's just mechanics. Sort of like how the notion of Emperor works. It's just a mechanic; if you really want to justify it in lore, you can just shrug and say "Well, Second Era was hectic and there were a lot of claimants to the throne." but I think you're trying to hard and should just accept that you're dealing with a gameplay>lore situation.

I found the Domonion side of things to be strong, story wise. Don't want to give much away but seeing as much resistance towards Ayrenn should calm fears that the Altmer are all content with her queenship. There's significant forces at play arrayed against her, both political enemies and circumstances that involve Mehrunes Dagon. (Which covers some of the woes people had about the apparent prevalence of dremora, at least on the Dominion end). The Thalmor exists as a ruling party in the Dominion but are lead by High Elf canonreeves, Bosmer Treethanes, and Khajiiti chieftains. That said, there is still a culture of indoctrination and Altmer supremacy. A college of "Aldmeri Propriety" trains those that would serve the Dominion; in some cases, Bosmer are asked to reject the Green Pact. Although it should be noted that quests centering on this institute focus on curtailing their more extreme ways.

There was a pause on my part when I heard so many Altmer talking about the Eight but taking into account an important ritual site on Auridon, it became clear to be that they were talking about Magnus, Syrabane, Anu, Y'ffre, Tinimac, Xarxes, Mara, and Stendarr. Phynaster slips through the cracks but yeah...there's shrines to the Altmer gods and not just a big, sweeping use of the Alessian Pantheon in the game.

In terms of the Ebonheart Pact, I don't recall as much and don't have as many notes. Telvanni's not into the whole arrangement, the Argonians aren't exactly forgiving and forgetting, and they're facing a lot of pressure from the Covenant. There's more but I'm forgetful. But that should give some people a bit to chew on, lore wise. I could talk main storyline but I don't know how much people really want to know. I like Coldharbour's design, McDowell does a nice Molag Bal, and while the Soulburst and planemeld affair might be too close to the Oblivion Crisis for some, I find there are differences that let me see them as separate enough. And Mannimarco's around and being suitably Machiavellian so that's nice.

Is it the best thing TES? Not at all. Is it the terrifying affront people are fearing? Not really.

PS. Can't speak for the lore books as I wanted to sort of save those for when I explore the game proper at launch. And I did pre order. But I had a lot of hesitation at first. Positive PvP experiences changed my thoughts.

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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:48 am

One thing I forgot to ask - how much (and what) of the main story was possible to discover after learning from the Prophet about the 5 companions and how the Soulburst occured?

http://esohead.com/books

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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:32 am

Death of Morphotypical entities bothers me way more then it should.

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jesse villaneda
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:04 am

It's easy to dismiss as just one man's hypothesizing.

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lexy
 
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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:51 pm

Masterwork of the Inducer is one of the better new books I've seen. It's about Ayleids and all that nasty torture-magic-art stuff, although not quite as brutal as that might indicate. I don't see it on UESP, so I'll transcribe it here as best I can.

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Masterwork of the Inducer

Much of the text from Eldhaal the Inducer's account is unreadable and cannot be salvaged, like so many Ayleid records. I have translated the intact excerpts to the best of my ability, but have had to infer the meaning of some unclear terms.

In truth, I am relieved that no more can be read. The original, with its grotesque and unnerving diagrams, will be sent back for preservation. I pray I will be permitted to leave this place soon.

"...pliability of its material, so vital and so obedient to my tools. It was a subject yearning for ascent to the ultimate purpose of its form. A vision of the shape and the (method?) took me immediately and I stilled the form; I stopped its sight and speech and stood it in the working-space. I ordered the servant to stay and bear witness to a Perfect Example and began the dedication rituals."

"And to it I sang and hummed and whispered; the cage of its heart gave assent and unfurled with no splintering, no cracking - the life's rhythm persisting. I ordered fine silver chains. Into each link I inscribed the hundred words for bliss, and I wrapped the cage and trunk all round to to best display the organ at work."

"Such joy! It must have been that Blood-Made-Pleasure watched the work, guided my movements. A new (inspiration?) came upon me, and fervidly I grasped the sight-orbs between the implements..."

"I blessed it with wings of Welkynd, gently grafted and obtained at great expense. I extended its blood-paths, a delicate web within shining light. Eight stars for its crown, eight rubies at its feet, splayed forearms reaching for Aetherius. It became real when I gave it the name: Messenger Beast Redeemed."

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James Shaw
 
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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:22 pm

I was wondering about the books. Thanks for this link. I know where I'll be for the next day or so.

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Myles
 
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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:03 pm

Seems I've been ninja'd with the book, scores of times over...

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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:32 pm

Some books of note:

http://esohead.com/books/238-on-the-detachment-of-the-sheath

http://esohead.com/books/1421-aurbic-enigma-4-the-elden-tree I suggest everyone read this one.

http://esohead.com/books/2166-racial-motifs-1-the-high-elves and look a book series about love between divayth fyr and the mage from the doors of oblivion.

http://esohead.com/books/1877-chronicles-of-the-five-companions-1 I highly suggest you do not read this series of books unless you like being spoiled on the main story.

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K J S
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:08 am

People might go nuts about the Argonian Maid stuff, which was a valid concern that I was keeping deliberately mum on before the NDA but it still doesn't bother me.

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Cedric Pearson
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:22 am

So I have a few questions , and admidly they are quite noobish I guess. How are potentate stuff looking , is there anything about it there , or rather they went with "yep they existed alright... any more questions?" also apperently if voice actor video is to be belive there is a half giant in ESO what is the deal with that?

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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:50 am

This one was leaked months ago, I remember, and I still hold it up as an example of the worst writing ESO has to offer. It's basically a random slew of lore buzzwords. Sure, it means something - vaguely - but nothing worth abusing the language for.

Thanks for the rest of the stuff.

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Charles Mckinna
 
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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:57 pm

If they wanted to include something funny then that was best choice really , if they come up with something orginal people would most likely accused of not understanding lore and so on.

I am not gone comment because to me many of "approved" as great examples of lore writting seem like bunch of lore buzzwords.

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Hairul Hafis
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:03 am

So far I don't really care for the writing that I see here (though I haven't looked at your links yet, Benefactor), but to be fair, TES writing as far back as Morrowind has been hit-or-miss, and it's been getting worse rather than better in a lot of cases. There's a lot to look through, too, so hopefully I'll find something more interesting to me in the future.

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Charles Weber
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:58 am

Regarding the argonian maid:

http://esohead.com/books/1104-the-argonian-maid-an-oral-tradition - the reason given for it appearing in this time period

http://esohead.com/books/1134-the-lusty-argonian-maid-a-song - new song version

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Princess Johnson
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:29 am

Good. Now canon vitches may stop vitchin'

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Niisha
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:31 am

If you read anything read this one http://esohead.com/books/1421-aurbic-enigma-4-the-elden-tree the others I linked where either spoilers or example of retcons and poor writing.

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Shelby Huffman
 
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Post » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:50 pm

*THIS WEEKEND IS! A! LOREVALANCE!!!*

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Natasha Biss
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:26 am

Hey, a "Books of Note" compilation is a good idea.

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Charlotte Lloyd-Jones
 
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Post » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:59 am

I know something I would love even more than that. Commentary on books by you about what you think of them. This is a great weekend of love for The Elder Scrolls.

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