Didn't I just say I was joking about the bear hats? You're taking the bear hat too seriously. As I just explained, Skyrim by culture is considered barbaric in the eyes of those native to Cyrodiil. They send young men to fight ice wraiths in some parts, part of their culture. But still to those Imperials who believe themselves 'civilized' which I use loosely due to the fact they have an Arena and watch people hack and slash each other to death as sport. They consider Skyrim barbaric. It isn't anything new, we've known that for past games.

They used to, there's no evidence that still goes on. What Galmar does was likely a way to reawaken some old Nordic ways. But so what? Why is that barbaric exactly? Because men prove their worth by hunting? Stop with the ethnocentrism.

You know Vikings were called heathens and savages for washing too much?

Why is that barbaric exactly? I don't know, you tell me in what I said. Why that might be considered barbarism by Tullius and other people in Cyrodiil? I didn't say they were right.

If you can't, look up the meaning of 'Barbarism'.

You may be joking about the bear thing, but you're clearly arguing the point that they're barbaric, which means you do hold to those opinions. It's rather clear in this response here. You can't just hide now and say you only meant from the Imperial's perspective.

Do I consider Skyrim's culture and way of life, barbaric? As in brutal, cruel. From real life, yeah I suppose so, isn't that the point? I consider the Imperial's culture quite barbaric also. Same with many of Tamriel's provinces. Are you saying, in no way whatsoever, you ever consider any culture in Tamriel to have barbaric qualities?

Oh the hypocrisy...

Barbaric tends to mean that they're savage morons. The Arena, which you gave as an example to our culture would be savage, but to them it is not. They have rules that they follow, and for the most part, the contestants are willing. Tamriel in general is a violent place, it's called an arena.

What you're doing here though isn't talking about from our perspective of Tamriel. You were defending Tullius' comment, which means you're going from their perspective and saying the Nords are more barbaric in relation to them. There's a difference.

The only people I would call truly savage are the forsworn, because they literally attack anyone and everyone on sight. That's almost feral.

Please, you want hypocrisy?

Personal attacks. This sure smells like one. If you have anything to contribute besides flames, please do so.

i didn't follow the whole debate,but what is wrong being barbaric? Is it supposed to be a negative thing?

You don't get what I'm saying, I'm not calling Nords morons. In relation to what I was saying from Tullius' comment. The Imperials and those in Cyrodiil believe themselves civilized. So from their perspective, the Nords are considered barbaric. They say that in Oblivion, they say it in Skyrim. Nordic culture is considered harsh and cruel to others in Tamriel, who believe themselves more civilized.

If you're trying to say I think Imperials are better in culture, I wasn't. Not even close.

Its in relation to Tullius' comment. He was defending it.

I get what you are saying, but this is the implication. We know what they think. That isn't all you did, you said "in their defense".

If you don't think the Nords are more barbaric than the Imperials, and think Tullius' comment was wrong, then just say so now, and we can move on and stop going in circles.

Is that what it was about? That whole line was a joke. I don't even see how anyone could of taken that line seriously, I mentioned bear hats as a reason.

I do think he was wrong, I thought I made that clear when I said:

You said the bear line was the joke, not the rebelling part. So omitting the bear line, "In the Imperial's defense, who's the one openly rebelling?"

How is one not supposed to take that part seriously? If I'm to assume it actually wasn't. But whatever, water under the bridge.