You know, I probably wouldn't have/ am not going to play it anyway (just not a big fan of MMOs these days and EVE Online spoiled me on what I look for in one...)

But I could see a Fallout MMO being able to be an MMO and stay true to the setting, as well. Quite simply, the PCs could all be refugees from a Vault that was over-run/ failed/ opened successfully. In one fell swoop, you account for all the PCs starting out from pretty much the same circumstances, stay true to the setting and lore, and tie it all into the gameplay. Much like what would "realistically" happen anyway - you'd have a large mass of people that would follow a variety of paths. Some would split off and do their own thing, or even team up with the Raiders, etc. Others would try to build a Vault City (which would lead to interesting co-op between players; and the "persistent hub area that can be improved by the players" isn't really all that new of a concept, either.) Others would go off and join other factions, spend their time exploring, scavenging, whatever...

I can see an MMO in the Fallout setting easily, its a great setting for a spin-off online game; but the setting alone is not the series, though some may think so... and they are surely the ones likely to love the Fallout MMO the most. Not so long ago a Fallout MMO that was basically FO:Tactics online would have likely been a big hit, I think. FO3 online would be too.


~Of course it would be as authentic as creole cuisine from a mall food court, but tourists would love it, and pay a premium for it.

with so many big players and the upcoming 'OLD REPUBLIC' and the new blizzard MMO its will be a slaughter.

Yeah, but... a Fallout MMO would inherently be a spin-off, by it's very nature, wouldn't it? There was never any hope for a Fallout MMO to be anything at like the series, regardless.

Just for arguments' sake - let's say Fallout 3 actually ended up being what us "old school" fans were always hoping for - in every way a "true" sequel to the series. Even then, if they made a Fallout MMO, there's no reason to believe it would end up any different than whatever this one would hypothetically be like.

I mean, say you want about Fallout 3 (I agree on a number of those points, as well.) But that's the thing about spin-offs is you can't really hold it to the same standard. By it's very nature, it's going to be a departure from the gameplay of the main series.

I always was true that you were too one of those. Well in your dreams or fantasies, you can say "fallout 3 isnt fallout", but fortunally we know this is not true. Seriously, Beth ressurected the series, making a lot of new good content, and more, made it a hugh success, that is acclaimed by critics and players.

You can cry all day on your bed, but this is no turn back. Beth is happy with the money, we are happy with this wonderful game, so what is wrong? 0,006% old vocal veterans?

This is the same tactic used by pro rioters; they put a small bunch of people, but very vocal and violent to protest, like the ambientalists. As the rioters are so vocal and so radical, they attract attention, even being the minority of the minority.

pro rioters cry on their beds all day?

What's DAC?

You misunderstood. When i said "You can cry all day on bed" im saying that old gamers that only hate and complain of FO3 can complain all days, all day long, aka "cry on their beds" that this will change nothing in the current situation.

After then i compared pro rioters to old complainer gamers, that are just a small % of even old gamers, but make theysefs present using loul vocal protests.





Duck and cover. Another forum of "old vets" that considers theyselfs the "keepers of fallout series" like NMA and absolutely hate Bethesda and FO3.

Its plain to see that its not; The entire series was devised as a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc6gvAzuipU implimentation (for GURPSERS, by GURPSERs ; ~and its a shame that Steve had no guts about the project... but ACELIPS it is and I see none of it present in FO3 in any tangible or significant measure.

FO3's release is (or equates) essentially, if you boil it down... to Decent 3 [for example] being pushed as a Flight simulator.
(and they'd ask why its not cool and is cause for complaint ~ uncomprehendingly asking "What's not to like!?" <_< )

You damage your credibility with jabs like that ~can you not defend your points without them? :shrug:

Certainly i can, but you will not accept any argument, unless it bash or criticize Beth or FO3 is some way.

Gizmo generally likes the game. Just not as a Fallout. That's true to (most) of the people on NMA or DAC though. Yet they say that they're opinions are always bashed... hypocrites. I've lost all respect for 76% of the people on NMA after spending an hour on their forum.

I stopped coming to these sections a couple of months ago, no point in arguing I thought.

Then I saw the point lookout trailer, it looks NOTHING like Fallout what so ever, you have to be really delusional to think so. It was combat combat and combat, and it had nothing Fallout-esque at all.

Now I don't mind, in the sense, I just no longer care (because I just wasted loads of time writing stuff for nothing), but, the game in no way or form looks like Fallout. It's not that in my mind I think 'Yay I'm right', it's that the facts all point to that.

And no, I'm not going to any other forum. No need to, and there's a limit to the amount of complaining I can endure

Oh, and as a game, I really like it. It just doesn't remind me of Fallout what so ever.

EDIT: Oh, and I don't want to sound angry. Wrote this in a hurry 'cause I'm off in a few.

The 9.994% of the new mainstream gamers crowd that now praises FO3 will move on as soon as the next cool thing comes along, leaving behind a 0.006% of FO3 vocal veterans crying on their beds and talking about FO3 for many more years.

Exactly like that 0.006% of old veterans that have been talking about the old Fallout looong before the rest 9.994% discovered it's existence with the release of FO3. So it's at least illogical to demand that they will stop talking now after all these years.

That's not necessarily true. Fallouts 1 and 2 didn't sell all that well to begin with, yet they still have people staying behind and talking about it. Now fallout 3 has become more popular and attracted a larger crowd. So why would everybody who's interested in it now move on? Is there some strange difference between them and the veterans? The only "moving on" I see happening, is moving on to Fallout: NV and Fallout 4 while still talking about Fallout 3. So eventually, a good bit of the "mainstream crowd" that you see on this forum, will become part of the veterans. Including the people who bought and played the original 3, after discovering FO3. Not to mention that even some of the original veterans like and enjoy Fallout 3.

And we have gotten incredibly off topic. This was supposed to be about why Bethesda is pressuring Interplay so much. Not what Bethesda did with Fallout. Unfortunately this is what happens to most of these threads. This forum might as well have it's name changed to "Off-Topic".

where is the other 90% ?

Bash Beth? ~point to it. If anything I'm impressed with the product in several ways
and disappointed in others (especially the choice of Inon Zur ~though I like his work)... and most notably the general intentions for the game [IE. making it a multiple choice FPS for greater market penetration, and softening it up so much]; But that's no bash to the company itself or those that work there personally.

It doesn't work to compare decade old sales data ~the markets have changed size (and who knows the true percentages?)

Its already started to happen.

I'd have to say yes to that one...

Playing the next World of Warcraft instalment.

Ok so you only Hate FO3 then... I said that about Beth because a lot of NMA people just hate passionately Todd and Hines, and Bethesda is a lot of their works.

Really? Explain it to me. I'm curious to hear why all of a sudden the veterans are superior human beings.


Also, yes some people have moved on. But we still have the regulars here. I can 100% say that most of the people who played FO1 and FO2 moved on, correct? We're going to have our small percentage stay behind as well.

You have to be superior to be different?
Different means superior?

He's saying that all of the fans of FO3 are going to move on, when not all of the ones with FO1 and FO2 moved on. Why? What's the logical basis for that argument? How are FO3's fans any less logical or intelligent than the "veterans"? I'm questioning him. Not you. Your arguments actually make sense, and are well thought out. I respect you for that.

Ah, my confusion was that I was quoted in that post....

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I dont think people will just all move from fo3. As there are people with far as 200 h in this game, we have people with 2k hours on Oblivion, which was bashed to death as an indadequated sequel.

With geck, this game will have players for a lot of time.

Yeah, the GECK will definently keep people with Fallout. Apparently Morrowind still has an active modding community.

:nono: We don't allow complaining about complainers nor do we allow cross site trolling/bashing. Don't do it.