Seriously? I rarely see complex, interesting female characters that are represented in equal numbers with male characters unless I'm reading something that was created by a woman. I'd rather support that than see myself delegated to token status in male-created content like this. We can see 9 people clearly represented from these pictures. Only two of them are women. That's androcentrism. It's not deliberate sixism - it's just that the author, who is undoubtedly male, doesn't remember that women exist unless he takes the time out to think about it. I am tiiiiired of this crap. I don't need to support it. I love the IP, but I have options. If this had the same balanced gender representation as ESO, you couldn't keep me from buying it, no matter the price.

That's not sixism. That's investing in the world I want other little girls to have.

very nice, fancy- if 10 money, i would buy.

Everytime you comment in a thread it either has to be about you being a woman or something not focused towards women, well duh. It's a business and your main focus as a business on PR is to focus towards your main demographic it's only the logical thing to do it's like you've completely thrown all logic out the began attacking an artist simply because he prefers to design art focused towards a strong male audience, It's an artistic choice that he decided on when creating the art so what? And how do you know the book is mostly made of male concept art, from what I've seen there is like one picture of a male character on it therefore it's androcentrism?

You'll notice as you go through life not everything will have equal representation for instance how many female plumbers or electricians do you normally see in real life or any women working in a blue collar workforce? Very little, life is not as black and white as you want it to be and giving a realistic and logical representation is not only important for immersing someone in your game but also in art.

Oh FYI on the last thing you said, cute but I'm pretty sure you should smell the roses and take a look around instead and realize that at the rate we're going there wont be a world at all in 50-60 years maybe you should be worried about the "little girls" having a world at all, I highly doubt gender equality is going to matter as much when the world is too populated and most of the coastal cities and countries in the world are too flooded to sustain life, nope political correctness no.1 priority for children.

On the topic though, go for it there is only 10k copies I think I'm gonna get it definetely and if the chances arises I might sell it in the future to someone, good collectors item.

http://tesocensus.info/?results

87%. Like it or not, this is a *very* predominantly male player base. It's no more sixist than...I don't know, than magazines that only have health and fitness tips for women, or clothing designed to fit women. And really, you're basing this on the number of women vs men represented in an art book? That kind of attitude is what leads to the problems we have with positive discrimination these days. A friend of my mum's back home used to joke that, as a black jewish disabled woman, she could get any job she wanted, and was almost tempted to turn gay just to seal the deal! lol

How about the fact that the female NPCs there are in the game are almost without exception strong and independent, and there's barely a trace of the kind of 'chainmail bikini' styles clothing that almost every other mmo has? I commend your intent, but you're fighting on the wrong front here.

Or you could just wait until the various wikis get a hold of it, then you can get it for free, with all the mistakes removed.

If they sold each one individually I might have bought one, but with the shipping cost it's just too much.

I'm not so sure about that. Saying only women are capable of writing or drawing female characters sounds pretty sixist to me.

Besides equal representation in every circumstance does not a good story make. I'd rather support good writers than the ones that have the "correct" gender.

By the way, one of the dogs in the pictures is female.

If these books had every alchemy enchanting and provision recipe I might consider it....

Would be nice if they could provide a link that actually worked, and doesn't just take you through the age verification in an endless cycle....

maybe if it were half that price

ugh i've already gotten 2 CE physical copies I'll the save the 100 bucks from pretty pictures in a book for 7 months of sub fees.

Yep, this is what I do. I annoy the piss out of a lot of people, and I make a few others pretty happy. And there never fails to be a stream of men that want to line up and tell me, "This is a male dominated industry and you are not a part of the target demographic worth considering, so get used to it and take what men are willing to give you." And I will always answer, "My money is as valuable as yours and I want to see change."

I never said only women are capable of writing and drawing female characters. I said that, unless the author is a woman, it's unlikely we'll see an equal representation of men and women. I don't even bother reading anything written by men anymore, because the chance that they'll treat their female characters as people is so slim it isn't worth the time investment. That doesn't mean I think men are incapable of it, or that all women are perfectly egalitarian. I'm sure you'll call me sixist for that, even though I spent the first 26 years of my life reading nothing but classic literature which is 99% male, and you'll never read more than a handful of female authors.

There is no supporting lore I have found that explains the Elder Scrolls' androcentrism. Women seem to be as perfectly capable of achieving status and power in Tamriel as men, and yet the history books and games are still predominantly male. There is no explanation for that other than the creators' own androcentrism. "Men are people and women are women." I don't think it's about a target demographic or any conscious decision at all. I think the creators have grown up in a world where men have held nearly all the important positions of power and visibility, and in a society where men take the lead roles and women exist to act as plot devices. Recreating that sixist dynamic IS NOT A MORAL FAILING. it is a natural and inevitable part of the world in which we live. But just because that is the way things are does not mean that is the way things should be. It takes nothing from you when I criticize an art book that features 7 male characters and 2 female characters. And yet you are terribly threatened by it, every time, and determined to put me in my place.

You are the reason I will not shut up about this, even though I'd love to be able to play a stupid video game like everybody else, without having to worry about this crap.

ESO has been pretty great about easing off the androcentrism, which is why it's disappointing to see it back in this art book. We've only seen about ten pictures of it, but dollars to donuts that's a fair representation of what the rest of it looks like. I would love to be proven wrong. If you can't see why it is important that this book is androcentric, then that's another topic I won't get into, because it's unlikely you'll listen anyway.

If you don't give a crap about any of this, bully for you. Not everyone has to see things the way I do.

Oh great... Can we keep the politics out of this? Pleeeeeeeeeeeease?

Wow, this thread just really went to hell. How did a thread that was supposed to be about a collection of lore books become... well... whatever the heck this is? Who cares what the gender of the author is... buy it or not... it's your choice. Let's stay on topic shall we.

Yeah, seems the site only works properly in Internet Exploder... :/

You should stopp playing TES. It is made by men. Yuk.

These books are P2W and a paygate.

Honestly, it is not worth 100.00. Not in the slightest and I bought the imperial edition of the game.

And to the woman who has the issue with the male representation in the book....say what? Does it really matter? Well, obviously to you but not to other women (ex: me) who are on this forum. It's a book for pity's sake, written by men (ex the devs). Life is way too short to worry about art representation in a book. I don't see this as sixist at all.