Saves CTDs on load after adding the Unofficial Patch : Fallout 3

» Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:03 am

This time around I've played w/o the Unofficial Patch, mainly because I got annoyed by it causing a bug in The Pitt when using FWE the last time around. But when doing the Election Day quest I got a bug in that Dave won't acknowledge that he has lost the vote to Rosie, so I thought I'd add the patch and see if it helps. I'm using the latest UPDATED Unofficial Fallout Patch (1.5). But now all my saves crashes on load, which is annoying in itself but it also feels a bit unsafe to remove the patch as it has an exe-installer, so I have no idea what it might have overwritten on install. In short, as I'm using lots of mods I might very well get issues if uninstalling it, but I can't seem to play with it installed so I guess uninstall is my only option. I hate exe-installers. Aargh!

Anyway, anyone who has an idea what causes the CTDs and if it's possible to fix? I am using a Merged Patch and Archive Invalidation. I'm using the patch version for all DLCs and I have all DLCs. The game has been extremely stable until I installed the patch. This is my load order:

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  fallout3.esm01  Anchorage.esm02  ThePitt.esm03  StreetLights.esm04  BrokenSteel.esm05  PointLookout.esm06  Zeta.esm07  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm08  CRAFT.esm09  CALIBR.esm  [Version 1.4]0A  xCALIBR.esm0B  PortableCampStuff.esm0C  T6M Equipment Replacer.esm0D  Project Beauty.esm0E  20th Century Weapons.esm0F  AWorldOfPainFO3.esm10  EVE.esm11  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm12  Mart's Mutant Mod.esm13  LingsFinerThings.esm14  Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm15  DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm16  EnhancedChildren.esm17  FireLightFix.esp18  Wider street Lights.esp19  DarNifiedUIF3.esp1A  RubblePilesFix.esp1B  Blackened FWE + EVE.esp1C  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp1D  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp1E  AsharasHairConversionsForFemales_v01.esp1F  PCIdles.esp20  GNR Enhanced.esp21  PortableCampStuff - CRAFT.esp22  Sack of Holding.esp  [Version 1.0.0]23  bzArmour.esp24  StreetLightsaddendum.esp25  CrowdedCities_v2.esp26  CanterburyCommonsInteriors.esp27  DCStreet - BS.esp28  megalight.esp29  MetroCars.esp2A  Rivet City Realignment.esp2B  Trophies - Megaton.esp2C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp2D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp2E  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp2F  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp30  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp31  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp32  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp33  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp34  Tailor Maid.esp  [Version 6]35  Tailor Maid Anchorage.esp36  Tailor Maid PITT.esp37  Tailor Maid Brokensteel.esp38  Tailor Maid ZETA.esp39  Tailor Maid Black Retex.esp3A  WeaponModKits.esp3B  WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp3C  WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp3D  WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp3E  WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp3F  WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp40  WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp41  Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp42  Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp43  FO3_WRP.esp44  Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp45  CombatDuster.esp46  MAVERICK.esp47  Echo_UseBothGloves.esp48  T6M Lingerie.esp49  T6M Equipment Replacer for DLC.esp4A  T6M Female Power Armor Replace +DLC +FWE.esp4B  T6M Jeans Outfit FO3.esp4C  BikiniDaisyDuke.esp4D  BlackMountainThugArmorT6m.esp4E  T6M Competition Swimsuit.esp4F  FO3NeckChains.esp50  HY_direwolf_type3.esp51  jonasclothesreplacer.esp52  LeatherBackpack - eng.esp53  OutFits.esp  [Version 1.1]54  sunglassescollection.esp55  Lings Finer Things.esp56  1CazyTestEsp.esp57  AutoGates.esp58  DogmeatEssentialToken.esp59  Mart's Mutant Mod.esp5A  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp5B  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp5C  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp5D  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp5E  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp5F  Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp60  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp61  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp62  Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp63  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp64  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp65  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp66  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp67  PortableCampStuff - WMK.esp68  PortableCampStuff - The Pitt.esp69  PortableCampStuff - Point Lookout.esp6A  PortableCampStuff - FWE.esp6B  ShellRain.esp6C  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp6D  Xepha's Darkened Interiors.esp6E  Xepha's Darkened Interiors - OA.esp6F  Xepha's Darkened Interiors - BS.esp70  Xepha's Darkened Interiors - PL.esp71  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp72  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp73  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Night Eye Edition.esp74  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Anchorage (NEE).esp75  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Dynamic Sneak Bonus.esp76  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Start Game Added).esp77  ImaginatorFO3.esp78  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vendor).esp79  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Containers).esp7A  20th Century v5 ALIVE (NPC_Settler).esp7B  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vault 101).esp7C  20th Century v5 ALIVE (RivetCity).esp7D  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Raider).esp7E  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Slaver).esp7F  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul).esp80  20th Century v5 ALIVE (SuperMutant).esp81  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Talon_Regulator).esp82  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast).esp83  20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn FWE-WMK-Calibr14_V1_70RC_18668.esp84  20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn v1_70RC-18668-ALIVE(Chinese Ghoul).esp85  EwwGhoulyBody.esp86  xCALIBRammo_FWE.esp87  xCALIBR_20CW_v5.12.esp88  MyMegaton-AmmoPress-Calibr-Plus-Unlocked_v1_21_18605.esp89  Quiter Nuka Cola Sign.esp8A  Quieter Wadsworth.esp8B  Merged Patch.esp8C  20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn V1_70RC-18668-ALIVE(SuperMutant).esp8D  xCALIBR_ammo_Override_v1_01_for_20th Century Weapons -Plus- Reborn FWE-WMK-Calibr14_V1_70RC_18668.esp

» Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:20 am

I would advise you to restore your system to a precedent date.
If this doesn't work, a new archive was uploaded inside unofficial patch page, so get that and try to uninstall via that (by first installing, then uninstalling via bash, I guess)

I would like to tell you that I experienced the same issue with FWE. And I admit it felt a really really weird quest because it was merely a matter of ten thousand tries to make it go as I wanted.

The only way is just being as fast as possible and get all dave's votes. And check if it did go as wanted. then I had basically three outcomes:

- Dave would say that he won
- Dave would say that he lost but still stayed
- Dave would go away (third and the wanted outcome) --> When I did this one people stopped talking (don't know why)

I've got some questions about your load order:

Inside my fwe archive there is no FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp

Where did you find it?

The same can be said for the following plugins:

64 Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
65 Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
66 Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp

Hope that helped you.

» Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:07 am

Those are FOIP patches.

I tried deleting the ini's and having the game generate new ones on startup, but it still CTDs on save load. Yeah, I think I'll uninstall it and and "install" it in its own folder so I can check which files it contains. Man, the unoffical patches for Fallout 3 has always been more unhelpful than helpful for me. For one thing, why doesn't it have a normal setup for NMM/BAIN? And why doesn't it rely on a bsa? Meh.

EDIT: Anyway, restoring the system didn't work - something about an Avast file. Also annoying but I'll check into that later. I uninstalled the patch via its uninstaller and now the saves load again, but I still have no idea which if any mod files that were removed in the process. As for the quest: my char takes Dave's ballots, he acknowledges that Rosie has won and that he will leave, but then he goes back to his office, still the president and Rosie has lost according to the dialogue options. Nevermind, I'll try to pickpocket his key instead.

EDIT 2: The quest was "fixed" by following the Wiki exactly, just leaving ONE ballot in the box for either Bob or Rosie. The above glitching happened when I just removed all of Dave's, leaving the others.

» Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:04 pm

Thanks. good to know. Still I don't understand the point of how it works.

Dave will read the first vote. It will be assigned for himself.
Then find another vote for Bob.

Bob is the new ruler of the republic? How does that work??