So only the player characters are possible to become powerful people? The Nerevarine is a regular mortal who becomes as powerful as gods, the Champion of Cyrodiil was a regular mortal who took on several powerful people.

The "abnormal height" means nothing in the context of TES as TES has many things that wouldn't make sense in our reality and the using of the Thu'um is proof that anyone can learn it.

We have numerous powerful mortals throughout games and lore that have no connections to gods.

Nerevarine was hardly regular, he was said by Azura to be Nerevar returned and destined to fulfill a goal. The CoC mantled Pelinal, Sheogorath, and before that, the MQ didn't have him do anything that required a god or demigod. He didn't defeat Dagoth Ur, he just took Martin to where he needed to go.

And those powerful mortals all have lore and a story. They didn't just fall out of the Sky looking like an avatar of Ebonarm.

And please, no one in TES is that tall unless they're a daedra or Tsun. Or a Skyrim giant. I.E. not a normal mortal.

Magic or some form of powerful verbal shout, or both... the outcome would be the same.

I'd compare it to riding a motorcycle at 65mph and hitting a pickup truck that pulled out in front of you. Your not getting up right away...

Oh so giants aren't mortals or are do they not count as a race? Oh are we going to ignore the Senche-raht? Who are said to be as tall as two altmer?

"Larger and slower than the Senche, the Senche-raht are also possessed of a shorter body-span and straighter legs. The average Senche-raht stands as tall as two Altmer and can weigh as much or more than fifty. Like the Senche, Senche-raht are also employed as steeds, notably in battle, whence they earned the title "battlecats" from Imperial troopers."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit

Or are they not mortals either?

How about those Minotaurs? or even the Ogres? They are pretty tall or are they again, not a race?

Just because we don't know the story of the Ebony Warrior means absolutely nothing. Also there is enough in game to prove that we aren't the Nerevarine just that we're becoming the Nerevarine and the CoC works to achieve those goals. Again, they both start out as regular mortals who through training and honing their skills become powerful mortals.

Call me cray, but I'm pretty sure the guy under the armor was not in a catsuit and he definitely didn't have any fur, LOL. He also didn't have horns, or gray skin like an ogre. And giants don't talk. At least not anymore, and not that well.

edit: Bottom line, you can't prove he's just a regular guy, and so you can't prove anyone can thu'um. So you're throwing out fan theory same as I am.

I'll just call you a nitpicker who is desperate to try and make it seem only the Nords can learn how to use the Thu'um. You're missing the point entirely, the point is his height doesn't mean a damn thing. In real life? Yes it could mean something but notice what TES isn't, it isn't real life. Our universes are vastly different.

You can call it what you want:


And if pointing out the guy isn't a giant cat is a nitpick, then.. lol. Just lol. I can just call you someone desperate to take away anything unique for the Nords.

It does when the devs have never ever made a normal npc that tall. You'd think they'd give an explanation for changing all of a sudden. Especially when he's as tall or taller than Tsun, the god of trials of adversity.

They wanted to make him seem more powerful, again it means nothing. We have no reason to believe that the Ebony Warrior is anything but a powerful warrior who worked his way to get as strong as he did, not an avatar of a god.

Well you can think what you want, and ignore what you want. Until there's some proof, I don't have to think what you do, and you'll just have to deal with that It's how the world works.

Ok sure he could be the avatar of a god but we also have to take into account that he is also a powerful mortal, both can be theorized, The final point though? Until we know exactly what the Ebony Warrior is he is proof that the thu'um can be used by ANYONE as long as they have the know how.

Oh, no no no, he isn't proof of diddly if you can't prove he's a normal guy. That's such bull and makes zero logical sense. Burden of proof is on you, since no human ever gets that tall. Nice try though.

There's no proof normal humans besides Nords can shout, because there's no proof Ebony warrior truly is just human.

Why are we arguing that the Ebony Warrior is a random nobody with no context in the game instead of cool resolution of a past lore element that also adds to Skyrim gameplay? So Cider! can argue the Nords aren't speshul? Got it.

Give it a rest, dude. Nobody cares that you've got a dragon bone for Ulfric.

Yep, that's exactly what we're doing. Quite entertaining though, because it's desperate.

And seconded.

But there is no proof he is anything but a mortal. We have very tall humans in our own world and not everyone in TES is the same height, lorewise there are people of all different sizes and weight yet in the games what do we only see? Average height and skinny-strong people. We know lore-wise that plump to overweight, short to tall, people of various different appearances and physical builds.

We have no reason to believe people can't get that tall lore-wise. Again, all you're doing is nit-picking in order to get what you want, the idea that only Nords can learn the thu'um despite that the Ebony Warrior can easily be used as proof that anyone can learn the thu'um.

We don't know if the Ebony warrior is a demi-god or not, so drop the nord fanaticism Killabee and accept it's possible for other people to learn the thu'um instead of Nords.


Nords have plenty special, while anyone can learn the thu'um it's still entirely nordic due to the fact that the Nords are the only ones with the know-how.


You're one to talk about being desperate, killabee.

I'm with Bear here, purely because of the size of the guy. He is certainly not human. He also says he's going to Sovngarde, even though he's a Redguard. That...that shouldn't be.

Except we have no reason to believe he isn't human and the size means nothing, again this is Tamriel, stuff that wouldn't make sense in our reality don't apply to TES.

No one in our world gets THAT tall and can still function normally. They also die off very quickly. And the devs just popping out some random tall freak of nature with no meaning behind it is baloney. This isn't a question of short, tall, fat, skinny. The dude is friggin huge.

The reasoning is no one ever was shown to be that tall, and neither was any human in lore said to be that tall.

You can't prove he's mortal, so drop the nord hating, Cider! and accept it's possible no one else can thu'um until you prove otherwise. And stop passing your fan theory as fact when it's the same as mine.

1. Not nord hate
2. I can say you can't prove he is an avatar of a god.

Both are likely, but due to the fact THAT WE HAVE LITERALLY NO CLUE WHAT THE EBONY WARRIOR IS we can't throw down the idea he isn't mortal. Stop with the nord fanaticism Killabee.

I don't need to prove he's a god. The fact that it can go either way, means you can't use it as proof that anyone can thu'um. So you'll just have to get over it.

Pretty simple concept there, dude.

But i can because we have no clue what he is so we can't throw down the idea that other races besides the Nords can learn the thu'um. Because until we know exactly we can't just say "Nope, can't use him as proof" due to the fact there is a chance that he is a mortal.

You can't use anything as proof when the "proof" isn't sound. This is basic stuff, here. That's like trying to prove someone is guilty of murder with a weapon you can't tie to the accused. That isn't how things work.

How can you prove "all normal mortals can thu'um" when you can't for a fact say he's a normal mortal? It's simple. I'm not saying others can't thu'um. I'm saying you can't prove they can. And you really can't.

Just like I can't prove other mortals can't, because the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. There, I just helped YOU out. I'm not saying I am right. I'm saying BOTH of us are throwing out theories that haven't been proven and can't be proven.

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