What all can cause save bloat?

Post » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:40 am

I've reinstalled Skyrim multiple times, and every time I end up getting terrible save bloat, along with script lag and tons of general wonkiness. I've tested it out (using new games) with and without several script-involved mods, and invariably my saves always grow to absurd sizes. I'm at my wits end. I've messed with a few things now, so I'll start yet another new game (at this rate I can speak along to the Helgen sequence) but I'll post my load order anyway at the bottom of this post.

Are there any popular mods that are known to cause save bloat for some people?

I know it's caused primarily by errant scripts, but can having multiple script-heavy mods that are stable on their own cause problems?

Could it be some crazy incompatibility? This is where my load order comes in handy, but I'm not sure it's even possible for mods to misinteract in a way that causes bloating.

What other than scripts can cause bloating? Timescale tweaks? Ini tweaks? Frequently reloading saves? A really low-performance laptop? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/15123/?, even?

Here's my load order. I've used almost all of these mods without issues in the past, although maybe not in this configuration. I've tried uninstalling mods that I suspected might be involved, but the game seems to bloat regardless.

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Active Mods

? 00 Skyrim.esm

? 01 Update.esm

? 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5a]

? 03 Dawnguard.esm

? 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 05 HearthFires.esm

? 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 07 Dragonborn.esm

? 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 09 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

? 0A Falskaar.esm

? 0B Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 1.0.7]

? 0C VanillaReducedTextures.esp

? 0D VanillaReducedTexturesDG.esp

? 0E VanillaReducedTexturesDB.esp

? 0F HFFF.esp

? 10 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00]

? 11 HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp

? 12 konahrik_accoutrements_dpe.esp

? 13 ColorfulLightsNoShadows - Merged DLCs.esp

? 14 Weapons & Armor_FasterArrows.esp

? 15 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

? 16 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

? 17 ColorfulLightsNoShadows.esp

? 18 Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp

? 19 WATER Falskaar.esp

? 1A more plants all.esp

? 1B Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

? 1C The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

? 1D Dynamic TimeScale.esp

? 1E FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

? 1F Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp [Version 1.0]

? 20 Immersive Organic Eco Logistic Solutions.esp

? 21 Konahriks Privilege by Edhelsereg.esp

? 22 AOS.esp

? 23 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

? 24 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

? 25 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

? 26 SkyUI.esp

? 27 TradeBarter.esp

? 28 ThatsRacist.esp

? 29 Traps Are Dangerous.esp

? 2A AOS_TAD Patch.esp

? 2B When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 2.0.1]

? 2C WATER.esp

? 2D Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcishWeapons.esp

? 2E Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

? 2F Book Covers Skyrim.esp

? 30 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp [Version 1.1]

? 31 WATER DG.esp

? 32 AOS2_GDO Patch.esp

? 33 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp

? 34 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [Version 1.3]

? 35 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

? 36 Marco's Integrated Leveled Lists.esp

? 37 WATER DB Waves.esp

? 38 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 2.0.2]

? 39 konahrik_accoutrements.esp [Version 5.5.0]

? 3A Alteration and Restoration redux.esp

? 3B Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

? 3C Alternate Hearthfire House Map Marker Optional Version 2.esp

? 3D QuieterRestorationDrawnSound.esp

? 3E Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp [Version 1.0]

? 3F konahrik_accoutrements_db.esp [Version 5.5.0]

? 40 Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp

? 41 Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp

? 42 Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp

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Penny Courture
 
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Post » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:21 pm

Why do you consider that you have save bloat? How large are your save files? I'm not familiar with all those mods but at least those I know shouldn't cause it.

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Georgia Fullalove
 
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Post » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:47 pm

Saving (including quicksaves and autosaves) take progressively longer and longer, and all of the other negative consequences of save bloat. If that's not enough, I started a new game after I made this topic and just made one last save. The first save was about 5MB, and my last save (about 1 hour and 45 minutes in, cleared Embershard Mine and made it to Whiterun) is a good 20MB. This has been the case for every other character I make, and it only got worse if I kept playing for those characters. It's got to have something to do with one or more of the mods I have installed, since reinstalling everything (and even using untweaked ini files) doesn't change anything (except maybe the rate of bloat). Except I have no idea which.

This is the part where I get a quick-start mod (sorry Lokir) and start adding plugins one at a time. And then having to check for bloat.

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Anna Watts
 
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Post » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Yes, that doesn't sound good. My starting save this time around (with +100 plugins) is c. 7MB. At lvl 24 they are c. 17 MB. Sorry, but I have no idea what might cause it for you. I think you can discount the following, though. I've been using them for a long time w/o issues:

? 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5a]

? 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.5]

? 09 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

? 0B Cutting Room Floor.esp [Version 1.0.7] [Not using it, but anything by Arthmoor is surely safe.]

? 10 AMatterOfTime.esp [Version 2.00]

? 1C The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp [Should be cleaned, though.]

? 1D Dynamic TimeScale.esp

? 23 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

? 24 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

? 25 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

? 26 SkyUI.esp

? 2B When Vampires Attack.esp [Version 2.0.1] [As above - made by Arthmoor.]

? 2C WATER.esp

? 2F Book Covers Skyrim.esp

? 34 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp [Version 1.3]

? 35 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

? 37 WATER DB Waves.esp

? 38 Run For Your Lives.esp [Version 2.0.2] [As above.]

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