Fallout 4 Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas #214

Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:30 am

This thread is so that we can keep all the discussion, rumors and speculation in one place.

This topic is for a friendly discussion of ideas and suggestions for Fallout 4.
We all have opinions about what the next game should have and should not have. Each of us has the right to express that opinion freely. There are points we agree on and points we do not agree on. This means that people are going to disagree with you on some things. Accept that and move on. No need to beat your point so far into the ground that no one wants to look at it any more.

At moderator discretion, threads about specific and distinct topics as they relate to FO4 and the rest of the Fallout series may be acceptable in the Fallout Series forum. General idea/suggestion topics for a future Fallout game will either be closed, or moved to this one.
This thread should be used to discuss items you'd like to see in a future game, gameplay tweaks, quest ideas, things you hope are not in the next game and so on. If you want to discuss major issues, use a separate topic - such as the discussion about adding multi-player or co-op play, which already has a thread. Please search first to see if there is an active/recent thread on a particular topic.

Something to note. Discussions of Child Killing is not allowed on these boards. Don't even bring it up in this thread. It won't happen in any future game from Bethesda, so there is no reason to even discuss it. If you post about this subject, you may be Warned and or Banned from the boards for doing so.

This is also not a thread to discuss current or past Fallout Games, other than to mention an aspect of the game you want to see included, or not included, in a future Fallout game.

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David John Hunter
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:26 am

#214. Will we reach #220 or #230 without Fallout 4 news? Man I hope not.

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Kelvin Diaz
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:56 pm

As long as Fallout 4 is not confirmed to even exist, that there is no evidence that any develloper is working on it, we could even go to the 2000th thread. There could be working on ten other games before Fallout 4, or coming up with their own post-apocalyptic IP, that so they wouldn't risk to be unfaithfull to an universe they respect.

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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:04 pm

I hope Fallout 4 is nothing that can be expected, for better or for worse. The final [censored] up, or a genuine tangible improvement to give deserved credit for. But not a mediocre at best 'yet another tired sandbox hiking sim of pointless busywork +1'. No more in-between stuff and halfmeasures, where each one good idea is crippled by 3 bad ones.

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Jade Muggeridge
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:18 am

Just had this idea, how cool would it be to see what would Hampton Court look like in the Fallout universe you know thee Hampton Court of Henry the VIII.

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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:40 pm

By this rate #220 will be like 2 or 3 weeks away I don't see any sign of Fallout 4 news by then... seriously buckle in for the long ride.

As was being discussed before whether Tes has been dumbed down is one thing (looks like it has to me but I'm not an expert on the series so I'm not pressing forth that argument),

but Fallout unequivocally has from Fallout 1&2 to Fallout 3 as I said in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TelWEj-RU5A&list=UUZF7TO4JXuaaOPm5p7hCt3Q

I do feel Fallout New Vegas took literally a more intellectual approach to story telling where the story asks you to try and critically think and doesn't give a cop out good choice or bad choice to passively root for so you can mindlessly kill the other side, there's an abundance of cognitive dissonance in Fallout New Vegas' narrative.

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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:26 pm

I agree with the sentiment but what exactly would constitute as an improvement to you and a tangible one at that?

For me Fallout New Vegas was a tangible improvement.

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Becky Palmer
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:59 pm

Persistent gameworld that offers interactions the player is accountable for committing and does not forget; world that doesn't feel like a cheap themepark cramped full of everything but a point; a world that is consistent and structured to support the scale that is required for the storyline. Narrative(s) along the lines of New Vegas, a story that ends the way a Fallout story should end, choice and consequence from bigger things to little intrigues, from character creation to the ending, combat that is not a simplified action/FPS with a panic button gimmick.

Strong mechanical basis that ties all that together and makes the SPECIAL system worth having (once more), and affects the gameplay all around in obvious but also unexpected ways, and in a manner that can't be unnoticed once encountered.

Gameplay and the governing mechanics are the chief matter. This goes from systems design to interacting with the world to navigating it. You can read more indepth explanations in the early pages of the previous thread.

In narrative terms it is, writing is good and the branching and narrative C&C are top notch. Otherwise, it isn't really, it's barely any different -- for reasons inherited and imposed upon it. A lot of people (here, and elsewhere too) think Fallout to be some sort of an interactive storybook where gameplay can be shrugged off as almost what ever as long as the story and lore match certain set (yet unclear) standards. That's not something I'd ever agree with.

And it's not a Bethesda game so it's not said to pass its positives over because they are not really something you can copypaste, fiddle a bit with and call it a day.

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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:40 pm

So I recently played through some Skyrim again and a few things annoyed me.

1. Repeating dialogue. The random dialogue that people say to my character as I walk the streets. I don't mind beggars asking for gold, butI ccan't stand the woman who criticizes my outfit, even after talking with and accepting and completing her little sidequest. She even criticized my outfit when I was wearing what she gave me. Come on already. This is rampant, and imo far worse than arrow to the knee stuff. It needs to be changed in FO4.

2. Underused NPC potential. A prime example of this is Maven, who is the medieval version of a mob boss, with very little interaction. They even have interesting things in game that you cannot approach her about, like performing the black sacrament in her basemant, yet as a member of the dark brotherhood, can't talk to her about it, or perform assassinations for her. On a side note is dialogue where a NPC says if you see so and so tell them I said hi or etc and you never can. If you want me to treat your NPCs as something more than a place holder, interactions like this would help. If you want me to pass on a message, let me do it.

3. Change the zones when I complete a quest! Two prime examples are clearing out a mine filled with spiders and another with forsworn, only to have said mobs respawn and kill the people I helped out, when they shouldn't.

These problems existed FO3, they existed NV, and they exist in Skyrim. Time for a massive overhaul.

Also, take into consideration if I act outside the box. For a FONV example, if I kill everyone at Helios, I should be able to go tell the BoS I did that and they can occupy the building with troops.
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:01 pm

I would not be shocked to learn that that is perhaps the one thing they cannot afford to do. I doubt that the game world resetting every three game days is an arbitrary convenience. It both conserves resources and ensures that the generic player cannot hamstring their game sessions; in a way that the Fallout series is known for... incidentally. Part of the reason that FO3 lacks the traditional bite of the series, is that it won't ever bite them in the backside for doing nonsense. :shrug:

I don't know what the data cost would be, but I can imaging that it's far far ~FAR~ less for not being saved out, and instead being reset after a time. All the NPC's would have to have the details of their virtual dispositions in the saved games... and if something goes wrong (like I bet that it often does)... there would be no 'three day reset' parachute to 'blanket wipe' away any emergent problems.

** This is just a guess, I'm not an expert on the engine.
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:13 pm

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Table of Contents:

1. World
1.1. Towns
1.2. Structures
1.3. Housing
2. Player
2.1. Leveling
3. Characters
4. Companions
5. Enemies
6. Factions
7. Weapons
7.1. Unarmed
7.2. Weapon Modifications & Features
8. Aid Items
9. Armor
10. Story & Writing
10.1. Quests
11. Karma & Reputation
12. Gameplay Mechanics
12.1. Economy
12.2. Mini Games & Interact-able Items
12.3. Crime & Punishment
12.4. Combat
12.5. Stealth
13. VATS
14. Skills
14.1. S.P.E.C.I.A.L
15. Perks & Traits
16. hardcoe Mode
17. Audio
18. Visual
18.1. Player & NPCs
19. User Interface
19.1. Pip-Boy
20. AI
21. Engine
22. GECK / Modding
23. Misc







1. World:
  • If the world is large enough, include vehicles but in small numbers. If it isn't large enough, do not include them. Vehicles should also be focused on more as important tools that can be used as transport, rather than just vehicles to crash around, this is a post-apocalyptic world after all.
  • In addition to vehicles, have rideable bicycles as well that could be found way more frequently.
  • A map with different varied environments that cover different parts of the map
  • In addition to more environments, the whole map in general should contain more vegetation (way more than Fallout 3)
  • Different types of weather such as rain, snow, heavy wind, hail, dust storm, etc. along with day/night effects
  • A world the size of Skyrim's or larger; spread towns and populations out more than Fallout 3 & NV
  • More funny/creative dev easter eggs (SuperDuper Mart domino effect, perverted teddy bears, plunger room, etc.)
  • More underwater exploration with some underwater combat included
  • For realism sake and better world design there needs to be bigger gaps between civilized and hostile zones. In the middle of the two is just the wild and the wildlife within it.
  • More emphasis on areas with very poor light. The player must navigate their way through the dark with their pipboy light (inferior as it only casts around you) or with additional lighting elements such as flashlights, torches, helmet-mounted lighting, and flares. Perhaps fixing / "powering up" the lighting systems could be an option.
  • More interactive objects that have an effect on the world (the truck above Cottonwood Cove in NV), some coming with skill checks

1.1. Towns

  • More larger settlements, similar/bigger in size to Rivet City and Megaton
  • Towns should have bigger populations
  • Each town done by a different artist like Skyrim but with a different style each time as well
  • If a town has been around for years and is a nicer place, it shouldn't be dirty/trashed
  • Towns should evolve
  • More frequent regeneration of misc items in trash cans/bins/etc., mainly within towns

1.2. Structures

  • Have farms/power generation/etc and explain how settlements interact with the world
  • Make the majority of buildings accessible, less boarded up / inaccessible ones
  • Add barber shops
  • Similar to Lonesome Road DLC (NV), overturned and damaged skyscraqers can turn into caves and such and are explorable
  • Arena battles where you can participate, bet, or watch.
  • Make use of the rooftops
  • IF vehicles are added, add repair shops to fix your vehicle when it's damaged by gunfire, explosives, and crashes. Additionally, you can purchase repair tools for your garage to fix the vehicle on your own (the vehicles fixes would factor into your Repair skill). See garages in Section 1.3 Housing for more info

1.3. Housing

  • Be able to put different types of furniture
  • Be able to correctly place down items you have collected
  • People who you can hire to do services at your house
  • Mannequins to put your clothes/armor on
  • Weapon display walls and showcases
  • Be able to move all your stuff from one house to another
  • Ability to rename your containers
  • If you leave a companion at your house, they will actually seem at home. If appropriate skills are met, they can sometimes be found utilizing a crafting table, chemistry set, etc.
  • IF vehicles are added, add purchase-able garages outside of bigger towns to safely house your vehicle. This prevents it from being stolen. Additionally, free garages on old damaged pre-war houses could be used. These garages however do not make your car completely safe and Raiders as well as other people looking to steal the vehicle will break into the garage. Traps can be set to prevent intrusion. See vehicle theft quests in Section 10.1 Quests

2. Player:

  • Different body types (average, skinny, chubby, buff, etc.)
  • Scars, tattoos, freckles, birth marks, piercings, etc.
  • Makeup
  • Age and height modifier
  • Many more varied and better hairstyles, same for facial hair
  • Be able to choose a default expression
  • Age slider actually shows aging (wrinkling, liver spots, etc.)
  • Option for no eyebrows and/or teeth
  • Increase or decrease amount of hair on body
  • Ability to change the clothes you're wearing underneath (when you don't have any apparel equipped)
  • Be able to change the tone of the player characters grunts, yells, etc.

2.1. Leveling

  • Higher level cap than NV's 50 with the tradeoff being that perks stop at some point as well as skill points eventually leveling off as well. This happens earlier on, meaning creating a fully maxed out player should be near-impossible but being able to achieve a high level is an option for people who wish to do so.
  • An equivalent of Logan's Loophole is put in the game but rather than being a trait it is now a choice that doesn't occupy a trait space. This choice cuts down the level cap by a little more than half.

3. Characters:

  • No essential NPCs, anyone can be killed. If an important person to the story dies, a warning will be displayed. Children remain essential.
  • What you say to certain people has consequences and NPCs can be offended
  • Conversations with NPCs are deep and it pays off to listen to them
  • Local dialects and terms among people (not everyone knows to call a mutant cow a Brahmin)
  • A west coast super mutant or two, who have wandered over to the east coast
  • More cannibals
  • Rapists
  • More wildlife
  • Different types of dogs
  • Amputee people
  • Starving people ; starved-looking people
  • Grotesque mutants
  • Some intelligent Mirelurks
  • See and/or hear about the hairy Deathclaws of Fallout Tactics

4. Companions:

  • Revamped Companion Wheel command system brought back
  • People notice your companions
  • Companions have chats and interact with each other
  • Greater diversity of animal/creature type companions
  • You can make a companion wait for only a set amount of time and then they will come back to you.
  • All companions should have depth to themselves along with stories/quests and should always be more than just personal slaves (Skyrim)
  • Companions who mirror you and will judge you on your actions based on what you do and their ideology if they have one or not
  • Companions are not only limited to combat roles but can be strictly a support role
  • You can command companions to use their good skills if your skill isn't good (such as lock picking a door, disarming mines, etc.)
  • Have companions interact with the world and people around you
  • Mercenary followers that cost caps
  • When going to sleep, followers should say something to you first and then go do something while you sleep

5. Enemies:

  • Many enemies have no level scaling and the enemies with level scaling have unnoticeable scaling. Enemies with locked high levels are a must to defend areas low-level players shouldn't yet enter (so they don't obtain high-level items).
  • Disregard Fallout 3's bad leveling where e.g. regular Super Mutants all turn into Brutes and Masters, therefore creating some unknown lack of regular SMs and suddenly powerful ones all over.
  • Feral ghouls can be caught feasting on dead humans and will try to eat you too
  • Different types of Feral Ghouls meaning some that still run, some that are slower and walk, some that crawl, etc.
  • Spiders
  • More Legendary-type enemies like New Vegas
  • Bring back Floaters
  • Have a Behemoth Robot from FO: Tactics somewhere in the game
  • Include Fallout 2-style Sentry Bots
  • Less emphasis on adding more enemies simply to shoot at but more emphasis on the stories behind enemies and why they are there in the first place
  • Enemies that attempt to capture you alive rather than dead, perhaps as a faction

6. Factions:

  • Unique joinable factions with unique quest lines
  • Different Raider gangs and Raiders that aren't automatically hostile
  • Factions that were in previous titles (Enclave, BoS, etc.) must match the game's location (for example NCR would be in California but not the East Coast)
  • Have the majority of factions be ones we've never seen before
  • Faction memberships have consequences
  • Many people have requested player faction/base building, if this is done then implement it into the story and not as a secondary game mechanic.

7. Weapons:

  • Re-armable traps and traps you can set
  • Thrown weapons should be able to be retrieved
  • Fatmans need to be more practical and have missions where they are strongly suggested to be used.
  • Fun weapons (think Rock-It Launcher, Railway Rifle, or MIRV)
  • A lot of weapons with much variation (working on the numbers NV brought to the table)
  • Bring back different ammo types
  • Strength requirements brought back
  • Weapon degradation needs to be slowed down or replaced with a new system
  • Crouching gives small accuracy bonus, going prone gives a big bonus, rapid fire increases recoil and hip fire increases sway. All negative stats get reduced the higher your required skill is.
  • Many more craft-able weapons
  • Bring back most weapons from the originals
  • Ability to rename weapons
  • NPCs with modded weapons
  • NEW WEAPONS: Throwable rocks, corrosive & chemical type weaponry, stun gun type weapon, a carry-able and mounted M2 Browning, a mortar, a weapon that yanks people's heads off, crossbows, recurve bows, speargun

7.1. Unarmed

  • While fighting you should do different moves than just the same punch every time
  • People can be knocked out

7.2. Weapon Modifications & Features

  • Bring back and expand on weapon mods
  • Unique weapons able to be modded as well
  • Be able to craft sticky grenades/mines and attach explosives to other weapons (such as duct taping dynamite to a spear)
  • Be able to put unique upgrades on weapons such as faster fire rates, more damage, slower degradation, etc.
  • Iron sights brought back (obviously)
  • Different levels of scopes
  • Be able to hold your breath and focus when in a scope
  • Be able to repaint weapons and customize weapons in other ways

8. Aid Items:

  • Chems have a range of different hallucinations & visual effects
  • Alcohol makes you more and more drunk and psycho will make neutrals/friendlies appear hostile
  • Ability to bottle your own water
  • Smoke able cigarettes that also have many negative effects especially in the long run
  • Less abundance of 200 year old food
  • Stealthboys can be turned on and off during use instead of being permanently on
  • Healing through sleep now works similarly to Fallout 1 & 2 (a calculated amount of time based on severity of injuries must be slept for a full recovery)
  • If chem addiction lasts for too long it begins to affect your characters physical appearance.
  • Less abundance of stimpaks compared to NV & 3, more challenging to discover

9. Armor:

  • Some armors with switchable pieces, similar to TES
  • Be able to repaint armors and customize armor in other ways
  • Many regular clothing options
  • Shields and riot shields
  • Armor mods/upgrades
  • Keep New Vegas system of categorizing armors as light, medium, heavy
  • Power armor helmets change your first person view as well as including a toggleable night/heat vision view
  • Holsters, ammo pouches, etc. could be added to certain armors/clothings (have no effects on stats)
  • Ability to place any duster over any armor

10. Story & Writing:

  • Good writing with no plot holes
  • Ending should have many slides showing the effect you had on towns, factions, situations, followers, people, etc.
  • Do not revolve the game's story around androids. Androids (which are AI) have been done before in Fallout 3 & Fallout Tactics (even New Vegas, as Mr. House is a talking screen outside of his container). They also are not original and have been done to death throughout media. It would simply be a rehash of something else and that would be very uninspired writing. Lastly, it opens up far too many plot holes and inconsistencies that would need to be covered in the writing. Nothing good can come from putting them in the game.
  • Bethesda, create your own new lore and don't rely on the West Coast lore of the originals too much (example: FO3 putting enclave against BOS and having super mutants everywhere for the sake of it, both of these were a far stretch for the original lore)
  • Hire better writers. The writing done on the Civil War in Skyrim (as well as The Pitt in Fallout 3) was a step in the right direction with moral greyness but still lacks proper rewards and consequences. The reward does not have to be a unique weapon (although nice), it could also be a perk taught to you by the person you helped. These are far superior rewards compared to 50 caps and some ammo.
  • There should be no clear white vs. black but simply a world full of many shades of grey
  • Ability to play a 100% pacifist playthrough
  • Very blank slate type of beginning
  • Your actions have an effect on so many things in the game world, even small actions
  • You should never be forced into helping one faction
  • Include a definitive ending; give warnings beforehand and make automatic saves before the game ends
  • Longer story than all previous Fallouts
  • Explain some lore/popular questions
  • More politics between humans, Super Mutants, and ghouls within big nations. The reason being after many decades, they should be more blended. However despite this blend, some racial issues will continue to remain.

10.1. Quests

  • Quests can be failed.
  • Do not go overboard with fetch quests
  • Some quests have time limits, failing to meet it can either change the quest entirely or result in failure
  • IF vehicles are added, your vehicle can be stolen and this initiates a quest. Some areas your vehicle is more likely to be stolen.
  • Bring back the generated quests of Skyrim, but improve on the issues and shortcomings it had. The Radiant quests given from factions factor into reputation, lower reputations mean simpler jobs and higher reputations mean more demanding jobs.
  • A huge amount of side quests on par or exceeding NV. A good amount of those side quests are also very detailed like FO3's.
  • Multiple quests in towns, that stay within the town
  • Options to capture people alive, in and out of quests
  • Misc/unmarked quests marked down similar to Skyrim, with a counter for collection quests
  • Quests thought out so well that even the slightest differences in play can completely affect the outcome (different tactics in combat, going different directions, accomplishing goals in a different order, etc.) A variety of dialogue choices should still be available however.
  • Jobs including but not limited to bounties, caravan jobs, assassinations, courier deliveries, being a bouncer, town patrols, etc. Some of these would be pre-designed, while others would be Radiant (generated).
  • Challenges brought back from NV but expanded upon (instead of just kill 50 ghouls put some fun & creative ones)
  • No marriage

11. Karma & Reputation:

  • If the owner of property has been killed, taking their items gives bad karma but is no longer labelled as stealing (can't steal what nobody longer owns)
  • If the owner of a bed has been killed by you, you can use the bed
  • Karma is determined like FO1/2 meaning your reputations among everyone is added up to an average
  • Your overall karma has a wider effect on NPC disposition of you making it harder or easier for you to become friendly with someone.
  • Killing evil characters nets you less good karma while stealing also nets you less bad karma as well. This is to prevent players from becoming too evil/good early on.
  • If chem addiction lasts for too long it will permanently affect your reputation.

12. Gameplay Mechanics:

  • Sprinting
  • Keep the DT system
  • Ability to switch between real time and turn based. The turn based mode would be inspired by https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/375798653/superhot and your actions would be limited by your AP like the original Fallouts.
  • A minimalized cover system while in 3rd person (skimming along the walls and cover, popping over cover while firing/aiming, etc.)
  • More random encounters
  • Prone position
  • Climbable ladders
  • Limited function with crippled limbs (applies to player and NPCs)
  • Many more scary moments
  • six is brought back and done differently. Nudity before actual act but six is still a blackout but with more noises and controller rumble
  • Pip-Boy: Be able to change the color of the Pip-Boy light
  • Pip-Boy: From the very beginning, the PipBoy can be swiped for a handheld version at any moment
  • Fall damage completely redone: Small falls = slight health damage, medium falls = health damage & good chance of having legs crippled, long falls = massive health damage & legs instantly crippled. The player should never die from more or less feasible jumps/falls, epic heights are needed for deaths.1
  • Falling a long distance will cause you to lose control and be helpless in mid-air meaning you won't land on your feet. This renders hopping down cliffs difficult as you will fall over and tumble down.

12.1. Economy

  • Doctors charge more for removing addictions and radiation, the cheaper the more inexperienced they are which opens up room for error
  • A trade system which has effects on people around you ( ex. you sell rare power armor and find someone in the wastes wearing it)
  • More desirable vendor items & vendor-specific items
  • More things to spend caps on

12.2. Mini Games & Interact-able Items

  • More gambling games and mini games
  • Useable pool tables
  • Better workbench that doesn't exit you after each crafting
  • Useable ovens for cooking food
  • Lights and other things can be turned on and off by switches
  • Readable pre-war books, skill books, etc.
  • Give ham radios a purpose
  • In crafting, you can 'free craft', crafting without blue prints
  • Different types of locks for lockpicking
  • More terminals to hack and more options to choose from (there is an over abundance of door unlocking, needs more robot reprogramming/light power manipulation/gas line explosions/toxin releases/etc.)
  • Re-do the hacking minigame and make it more skill-based. It involves too much guesswork and repetitiveness as it stands. This does NOT mean make it easier.

12.3. Crime & Punishment

  • Bribery, intimidation, and robbery of NPCs as gameplay mechanics. However, these all affect your reputation if witnessed and if you let the victim live to tell the tale. Robberies of NPCs affect reputation the most, reflecting negatively on just about every faction very heavily as word spreads.
  • Punching someone in town is treated differently than shooting someone
  • Make being a thief more profitable
  • More unique items you can pickpocket off people
  • When you are witnessed stealing valuable items, the owner or a friend of the owner (if armed) may pull out a gun and yell at you to drop it instead of simply pestering/following you.

12.4. Combat

  • Always have an alternative way to a situation than just combat
  • Improved gore
  • Bullet drop in long distance shots
  • Bullets & projectiles move at realistic speeds
  • If not behind proper cover explosives can and will knock down player character and NPCs
  • Penetration system where bigger rounds can go through multiple people
  • Projectiles now also penetrate certain walls, debris, barriers, etc. (anything with a penetrable tag on it in the engine). An entrance point is created (like already) and an exit point is created as well. After exit, the projectile has lost some of its force and its trajectory may be altered.
  • Grenades possibly having their own button/key
  • Dynamic crosshairs
  • In face to face combat, make it so the enemy will often push you or your weapon out the way (as to avoid the static up close combat of FO 3/NV)
  • Melee and hand-to-hand enemies as well as creatures receive damage bonuses when attacking in numbers. This promotes the need to take these foes out before they reach you because if they do you will be in serious trouble no matter what armor you wear.
  • Reintroduction of critical failures from Fallout 1 & 2, actively affecting both the player and NPCs

12.5. Stealth

  • Better sneaking mechanics and stealth kill scenes
  • More incentive to use stealth and concealed weapons
  • Massive overhaul on sneak: (1) you should not able to be totally hidden in front of somebody, (2) no matter how much noise is produced NPCs should not see you through walls and know you're there, (3) NPCs must allow for sneaking past - one entrance w/ non-moving guards is bad game design, etc.

13. VATS:

  • VATS shouldn't be completely OP. It should be more strategic, expanded on what NV did.
  • VATS is real time, just slowed down a lot
  • Add eye & groin shots
  • No damage reduction, you should take almost 100% damage but there should be a limit to how much HP you lose so you don't get killed while firing (such as 85% of your HP can be lost)
  • Player stops firing if enemy runs behind wall/cover
  • Be able to exit VATS at any time
  • Unarmed and Melee Weapons can select specific parts too
  • Ability to slow down or speed up VATS kill cams

14. Skills:

  • Adding back Small Guns and Big Guns or other skills, to spread out the points more and have your character have more specific weapon skills
  • Introduce more skills
  • Better character builds meaning much more emphasis on tagged skills. Tagging a skill no longer provides a flat bonus of 15, but each point invested in the skill counts for double like Fallout 1/2. You should be meant to stick to your characters goals and it should be very hard to change i.e. you can't just go from a ruthless melee weapons character to an all-out energy weapons character.
  • The higher your Medicine skill = less chance of addiction & OD.
  • Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300).
  • Survival involves more than just being able to cook
  • Some skill presets for different types of players
  • Speech possibly split into Persuasion (persuading one to listen to you or give up info) and Deception (being able to disguise oneself and tell defensive lies)
  • Skill not REQUIRED to hack/lockpick, but being below the certain amount makes the mini game a lot more harder
  • A return of the Doctor skill and a reintroduction of manual healing: Manual healing would be similiar to Fallout 1 & 2 (only a few uses/24hours - they would take few in-game hours to be completed - success is determined by skill), and couldn't be used in combat or when enemies are nearby. Healing cripples wouldn't be possible with stims or sleeping, but would require manual healing and the ability to heal cripples would be dependent of the Doctor skill and the skill requirements of the crippled body part (head and torso would be harder to treat than legs and hands), otherwise a doctor is a must see. Manual healing is also able to be performed on injured companions or others in need.

14.1. S.P.E.C.I.A.L

  • Low Intelligence in SPECIAL will literally make you dumb and will reflect on your dialogue choices
  • Any SPECIAL skill with a 1 or 2 has severe consequences
  • The higher your Charisma, the more followers you can have
  • SPECIAL has a greater impact on gameplay and dialogue

15. Perks & Traits:

  • More perks that have actual effects rather than skill boosts
  • Bring back Traits and more of them
  • Contract Killer/Law Bringer perks include actual quests
  • Dual wielding perk (in the fun league of perks like Bloody Mess)
  • Perks every 2 levels
  • Ability to repair/build robots
  • No longer forced to take a perk when asked, can proceed on without picking any
  • The Wild Wasteland trait is now a gameplay choice instead and doesn't occupy a trait space.
  • Bloody Mess perk becomes a trait like Fallout 1/2 and provides no damage bonus
  • Intense Training perk not available until level 12 and only one point can be added to each attribute (similar to Fallout 1/2's Gain Attribute perk)
  • Fix the Animal Friend perk: Animals won't attack you at rank 1, however if you attack them they still continue to remain friendly. They should attack back if attacked and especially defend their buddies if you purposely cause them trouble. At rank 2, the animals are suppose to protect you from hostiles. The problem is followers will defend these animals even if they attack allied humans.

16. hardcoe Mode:

The majority of these would only become active during hardcoe mode, although some could make their way into normal mode. Perhaps players could enable hardcoe mode features in normal mode through an Advanced Options window but turning on hardcoe mode turns on every single feature. Some features may not be allowed to be toggled in normal mode.

  • Sleep decreases your skills more and more the longer you go on without rest and perhaps you could even pass out if gone on for too long. Passing out in 'unsafe' areas includes a chance of being awaken by an enemy attack on you or being robbed
  • The game remains real time when you pause
  • Have tons of different moods your player can plunge into, some with positive skill effects and some with negative
  • Radiation decreases max HP by 1% for each 10 rads
  • Option for having only one life (after death the save is inaccessible but could display your stats and cause of death)
  • No compass markers for quests, locations, and enemies
  • Playing the radio gives away your position
  • Backpacks that increase weight capacity, not necessarily a hard core feature
  • Weather affects the body. Not wearing the right clothes within the cold will lead to frostbite and a slow death, wearing too much clothes/not being hydrated within the heat rapidly increases food/drink/sleep meters, etc.
  • Fast travel possibly disabled, rely on you or other people's transportation
  • If being transported by someone, you have a chance of running into a dangerous random encounter
  • Raw food has a high chance of sickness, some more than others
  • Some infections and diseases
  • Realistic damage applied to you and everyone else (head shots equal instakill, only a few bullets on unarmored body for death, explosives could be instakill, explosive shockwaves cripple many body parts, etc.)
  • Ammo and aid items are a lot more scarce
  • Inventory space is managed differently and you can't have a bunch of huge things (no Minigun in your back pocket for emergencies but if you really need it, it will likely be your only primary weapon)
  • An optional choice where you can only save in beds
  • Chems can be overdosed and kill you almost instantly
  • Be able to set camp in the wasteland
  • Chem addictions have more severe consequences (such as Med-X making you more susceptible to damage)
  • The need for tools for self-repairs
  • Pip-Boy is real time
  • Stimpak/chem usage/changing ammo, armor, weapon/etc. is now animated meaning you can no longer spam effects. An action queue will be shown in the Pip-Boy and upon exit you will perform your actions in real time.
  • Reducing someone to ash/goo destroys everything in their inventory
  • Doctors Bags don't instantly heal but steadily heal for around an in-game hour
  • Fixer has a percent chance of curing addictions and it lowers the more severe your addiction(s) is/are
  • The lower their condition the more your gun will actually jam during firing and the chance of critical failure quickly goes up (completely destroying the weapon)
  • Just about any action you perform will cost some AP
  • A slider for increasing enemy spawns
  • Followers now require ammo supplied by you and this ammo actually decreases from use now.
  • Stimpaks have weight

17. Audio:

  • More music in general including more radio stations
  • A very big list of quality voice actors who are either unknown or b-list. No famous actors.
  • Improve the ambient music
  • Bigger variety of music genres that still fit within the game atmosphere and the 50s
  • Temporary semi-deafness from explosions
  • Combat music changes based on the severity of who's attacking
  • Some feral ghouls let out a couple words before being killed (the little humanity they have left)
  • High quality weapon sounds and hear the bullets fly by and ricochet
  • Actual audible sounds produced by armor (depending on bulk and weight)
  • Robots have their FO 3 voices back again, not their NV one
  • Death narrations brought back from original Fallouts, can be turned off

18. Visual:

  • DO NOT include the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30/?
  • Shadows
  • Limited DoF (depth-of-field)
  • Bump up the texture resolutions
  • No weird tinted skies but instead clear, realistic looking ones
  • Vegetation
  • Fire spreads to the surrounding area
  • Some destructible environments
  • Mirrors you can look in
  • In addition to first and third person, include a top-down view
  • Many more fluid animations in every single category, all around the game world
  • Some cutscenes
  • Weapon conditions should show decay (rust, cracks, etc.)
  • Better and more varied graffiti across the wastes
  • Better draw distance (objects are poorly drawn while in scopes)
  • Darker nights
  • A camera that operates more like Fallout 3's and not New Vegas

18.1. Player & NPCs

  • When you go to sleep you actually lay down on the bed
  • Accurate player head-tracking in 3rd person view
  • People's faces show emotions
  • Bring more animation and life to conversations
  • See breathing if cold out
  • Battles with dozens of people on screen at once, sometimes more
  • People playing harmonicas, littering empty bottles, playing chess (playable by the player as well), etc.
  • Many different textures and models for each generic enemy and possibly a full-on randomization process
  • When you take all the clothes off someone, the top (bra/shirt) would come off both male and female
  • Redesign the feral ghouls
  • NPCs can get their limbs torn off but still be living
  • Be twitchy and have a shaky camera when on too much Jet
  • Animations for everything you activate
  • Walking leaves foot prints
  • Visible legs in first person
  • Player has many idle animations that come from their high skills, location, equipped weapons, etc.
  • Visible player conditions (burnt, bruised, sickly, poisoned, starved, dehydrated, etc.)
  • While sprinting/walking/idle-standing you (and others) hold your two-handed weapons down (assault rifles, shotguns, snipers, etc.) and hold one-handed weapons up.
  • If your limbs are crippled they should show wear and tear (blood, bullet holes, etc.)
  • More player death scenes rather than just rag doll
  • When someone is set on fire they should stumble around, if a critical occurs they will drop and roll until they burn to a crisp. Anyone touched by someone on fire will also catch on fire.
  • When arms are at rest the Pip-Boy's light should swing with arm movement similar to a lantern. When aiming down the sights it should behave like a flashlight.

19. User Interface:

  • Improve the UI and make it PC-friendly
  • Be able to look at items in full 3D view like Skyrim, look at original Fallout games for inspiration
  • Although there should be less of them, loading screens should be more interesting similar to Skyrim (where you view game assets in 3D instead of looking at static pictures like in Fallout 3/NV)
  • Another improvement would be the ability to make folders for saves
  • Ability to sort saves by character
  • Multiple autosave files like Skyrim
  • Ability to rename save game files
  • Improve the HUD with not as much of a bloaty feeling and be able to enable/disable specific parts of the HUD
  • Before adding a mod, upgrade, customization, etc. to a weapon you get a visual preview
  • In character creation, the sliders shouldn't just continually click left or right but just move along smoothly

19.1. Pip-Boy

  • Fix the Aid and Misc sections which become cluttered and also improve the Notes section by organizing schematics, recordings, etc.
  • Pip-Boy needs other improvements as well such as level selection in interior maps and an upgrade to the hot key system (frustrating to use on consoles)
  • A codex system within the Pip-Boy that keeps track of creatures you encounter, notable NPCs, items, advancements in lore, and other things.
  • The Pip-Boy's map of the world would be 3D like Skyrim but with a Fallout twist to it
  • Do not forget to include roads onto the world map like you did with Skyrim
  • Be able to set points of interest on Pip-Boy map
  • More understandable stat increases from items and from chems w/ an explanation (how do they give these increases?)

20. AI:

  • Covering fire, repositioning, cover usage, flanking, flushing enemies/you out with grenades are some good things that could be implemented.
  • Enemies that are clearly overpowered should flee very early on
  • Smarter follower AI that also notices how you are trying to fight in a battle
  • If you pull a gun out and aim it at someone, they should be reactive and pull out their gun as well
  • NPCs should notice bodies, open doors, knocked over/missing objects, and anything out of place. This will send their AI into an investigative mode.
  • AI in the wild are less aggressive, in combat the AI is at its most aggressive (not always, but often)
  • NPCs will take over a job if the previous NPC was killed
  • NPCs need to recognize mines (frag mines, etc.) that are theirs and quit blowing themselves up.
  • When sniping, the AI will some times fight back by pitting a counter-sniper against you

21. Engine:

  • Revamped Creation Engine or completely new
  • Script extender/more scripts already built in
  • Make the game 64bit and uncap the amount of memory the game can use
  • Remove any bugs especially game breaking ones
  • Fewer loading screens
  • Little to no invisible walls
  • Be able to render more items within a cell more smoothly
  • Cloth physics
  • DirectX 11 support
  • Be able to get on the top of all buildings (or the majority)
  • Entering buildings within a town or area requires no loading screen and instead you have an animation where you open the door and close it behind you
  • Be able to see through & out windows
  • Higher controller/mouse sensitivity
  • Do not hold back the game with support for Xbox 360 & PS3; strictly next-gen only

22. GECK / Modding:

  • Steam Workshop integration
  • Develop better terrain manipulation controls for better detail and use terrain paints instead of copy-pasted rocks and cliff sides everywhere.
  • Ability to add more lighting (which was capped in Skyrim causing texture popping and blackouts on textures)
  • Uncap the 255 mods you can use without worrying about memory overload
  • Compiler with an extended limit of characters
  • Map all of the properties/objects/actors by their Form ID's or other coded number that doesn't rely on the Editor ID name so that if you wanted to organize your objects you wouldn't have to remap/link all of your aliases/objects to your object again just to change the name.
  • More sensible movement within the render window & key remapping
  • Proper scaling
  • Either no hard cap on the number of animations, or support a few extra slots ~even if unused in the official game. This would allow a modder's custom gun to support adding a custom reload; or unique attack animation.
  • More intuitive ~or at least better documented Object-palette workflow; and material set usage; and addons (models)
  • A modest selection of additional dialog from all (or at least most) of the principle voice artists. For instance... Mr. Burke [via GECK content files], could say, 'I have another job for you, are you interested?', and then [affirmative], "I have an acquaintance looking for a delivery boy"... "Be at [Ten Penny's | Dunwhich | Rail yard | the Rivet City Bridge].... at [1,2,3,4,5,6,7... O'clock]" , "[he/she] will fill you in on the details".
  • Working/Reliable support for world space creation
  • Sort By Function - allowing you to sort objects by their type
  • Options to map orbit, pan, zoom on keyboard and mouse
  • Snap To Function - allowing you to take an object and snap it to another
  • Decent text editor with syntax highlighting
  • Place-able Pivot Point - Ability to orbit around any where in the world without losing control, like you do so often in the CK
  • 1st Person View / Testing - Ability to walk around in the CK
  • Exposed access to the foot/floor kinematics (the behavior of the feet adjusting to uneven ground height); or just an explanation of how to use it in custom models.

23. Misc:

  • Don't rush the game
  • Do not let Fallout 4 easily be dubbed a "Skyrim with Guns" - make Fallout a distinct series
  • Another competition for a user-made perk like Fallout 3
  • A Great War flashback
  • Listen to the community! Take a look at mods as well
  • Have Obsidian help with development
  • Take on more volunteers for things like consults, graphics work, coding, bug squashing, etc.
  • Take advantage of your M rating
  • Despite being about TES, Bethesda employees should take big notes on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

The Community Wishlist compiles the best wishes for Fallout 4 from all of this forums threads.

Disclaimer: This list in whole will massively help you gain insight into what could make Fallout 4 an incredible game. The ideas contained within this wishlist are all only suggestions the forum's members feel would improve the game and we do not claim them in anyway. Bethesda, go ahead and use whatever ideas you like, you've earned it. :wub:

If you have any more suggestions I'll add them to the list if they're good enough. If you would like to show this wishlist to Bethesda, you can contact them http://www.zenimax.com/more and http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=members&module=messaging§ion=send&do=form&fromMemberID=365941.

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JR Cash
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:51 pm

So much this. I was really upset when I went to Rorikstead, hoping to tell a concerned family about the fate of the horse thief who was in Helgen, only to discover no one would talk about it, but instead only discussed how blessed their crops were...

That would be pretty cool, and New Vegas had one or two scripted moments like that. For example, Camp Forlorn Hope vs Nelson. The major reason why the Brotherhood wouldn't do that though is because their numbers are low, and they are currently in a trend of isolationism. Few people agree with Veronica and want the Brotherhood to be active again :shrug:. What I really wanted was the ability to talk to key characters about my experiences in DLC. It seemed utterly ridiculous to not be able to mention anything from Honest Hearts to Caesar.

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Ashley Campos
 
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:53 pm

@ TheDude but in game ending sliders the BoS do retake Helios. Which is even more of a reason for me to be able to tell them I wiped out the NCR there.

The ending sliders also do not take into account if I turn Helios into a weapon. And I not talking about the laser pistol, I talking about the death ray that fries anyone outside of Helios, which would make any assault on the facility a suicide mission.

Just another example of thinking outside the box that should be acknowledged. They did much better job of this in FO1 and 2, ie taking into account multiple methods of dealing with someone and having it dealt with either in game or during the endings. There was improvement with this in FONV, but if Skyrim is any indication of FO4, they went backwards.
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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:22 am

Original ideas from the original creators that is what F-3 is not and NV to a point. NV is only 25% of Van Buren

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Post » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:53 pm


That ending only happens when you go with an independent Vegas. They try to take Helios if you side with the legion, but end up getting overrun and losing both Helios and Hidden Valley.

Regardless, I agree that a more dynamic world that truly responds to your actions would be phenominal. You should be able to tell the brotherhood that you cleared out Helios for them and the game should respond to your choices in unique ways. New Vegas was a step in the right direction with this, but the consequences of your choices should be more than the end game slides. I would love a dynamic economy based on your actions. For instance, if I were to nuke the long 15, I would expect prices for nearly everything to dramatically rise, as most businesses depend on NCR supply lines.
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