Pathological liars.

Immature, irresponsible, untrustworthy, and ultimately living in their own little world where details and facts are constantly spun in a way that reflects upon them positively and garners them some delicious attention. Meanwhile, if a pathological liar should be caught doing something wrong, the response is never a heartfelt apology, but rather a wild tale that ultimately serves to point the finger at a completely innocent party, solely because the pathological liar is too immature, selfish and childish to ever take responsibility for their own actions or sympathize with the fact that they're essentially trying to send an innocent party to the chopping block.

And worst of all....? This is borderline sickness; psychologists will debate if this should be named a mental disorder or merely someone who's an [censored]. Pathological liars have a different brain structure as I recall (more grey matter or whatever) and their minds have truly developed differently, perhaps out of having grown up in an environment where lies consistently led to better results and rewards. What does all this mean? Well, it means that you should be just as likely to forgive and pity them as you are to yell at and strangle them. Because sadly...? Well, I can't say I personally know of a story involving a "reformed" pathological liar. No, they're just pitiful and pathetic lost souls who'll forever live in their own little world, never realizing the only one who believes their stories is themselves. You can teach a child to take responsibility and grow up, but that doesn't seem to be the case here....

I've had the misfortune of meeting about three of these on a personal level (AKA had to associate with them daily) in the short 25 years I've been alive, and I can honestly say they send me running like no other. One of them was a preacher's daughter, funnily enough. Just thought I'd mentioned that cause as I learned she was a pathological liar, I also learned "the preacher's daughter" is notorious for having issues of some kind.

Only thing that comes close, I've encountered - very briefly - one person with histrionic personality disorder. I cannot say for certain this was the case as this was a makeshift diagnosis from a friend studying psychology and knowledgeable of the subject area, but got curious and looked it up and wow it seems like a nightmare too. In a nutshell, I encountered a pathological liar alongside the guy with histrionic personality disorder. After the pathological liar was exposed, the histrionic proceeded to....defend her, almost solely on the grounds that she was his first friend in the area. But it wasn't defending her as in "c'mon guys go easy on her," it was defending her in that he would actively go to start drama and pick fights with anyone critical of her. It was the most, illogical thing I'd ever seen, and the only explanation that seemed to fit was "he's doing it for attention and will legit do ANYTHING for attention of ANY form." So yeah, if the pathological liar wasn't bad enough, here was this idiot making it EXTRA awkward by starting fights on her behalf that she herself would never be capable of finishing (because these great things called "facts" worked against her, so he was kinda inadvertedly highlighting what a liar she was), deciding he hated perfectly reasonable and innocent people solely on the grounds that they were lied to by her. As I said, I can't say for certain it was histrionic personality disorder, but WHATEVER it was, it was so drama-prone and illogical that holy [censored] I don't wanna be anywhere close to it.

Goody-two shoes. Can not stand them for some reason.

Well, as you mentioned but don't seem to understand is that pathological lying is a disorder. Hence the pathological.

It can be difficult to have to interact with them, but I wouldn't hate them for it, just like I wouldn't hate a person for being inflicted with any other mental disorder.

Remove that person from your life, and problem solved.

I can't stand people who treat their own opinions as though they were facts and who want to impose these opinions on other people. These types of people tend to be the most obnoxious, argumentative people around.

The bubbly type. I have no problem with them, I don't hate them, but I cannot be around them for very long.

By bubbly I mean the kind of people who are overflowing with positve emotions to the point it starts to get annoying. That point is subjective and unique to every individual, but I still cannot be around it for too long. Kind of funny, because I am an optimist, but my optimism is informed by reality. I feel like the bubbly type is a little bit delusional. Just an opinion though.

This right here^

And for some reason, I can't stand the "Weak willed" type of person. In men it's a huge turn-off, I mean, c'mon, stand up for yourself dammit, Don't let me or anyone else boss you around! (I get a free pass to do it sometimes though ). When other women do it...ugh, I can't stand it.

Edit- I should have wrote "Passive" type...

I've never met a bubbly dude....that's gotta be funny/annoying lol.

Egotists.

Paranoid people. Can't avoid them though. They're everywhere.

Yup that is another one I have difficulty with. Drives me up a wall because I just don't understand it. I recognize that I don't know what they might be dealing with, but I can't help feeling it is pathetic. I try not to judge people prematurely, but that is certainly a personality type I struggle to deal with and I catch myself thinking negatively of those kinds of people all the time.
I've met a few. Coincidentally they were all asian and city boys. Probably more of a cultural thing in the area I am at.

You certain?

I've done a bit of reading on the subject and found it was NOT actually listed as an official disorder, though it is hotly debated to be one. Also got friends who study psychology and none ever mentioned it (though now that I think of it, I haven't inquired about this since the DSM V came out). Likewise I can't seem to find it in the DSM V.

I'm learning with age and experience that there's a fine line between these two in that it's very difficult to not piss off one of these two groups. AKA, if you lack confidence then others may get annoyed with your weak will and inability to follow through with what you believe in. If you have confidence, you may be labeled as egotistical and thus hated for it (and rightly so, as truly egotistical people can be fanatically blind to their own ideas to the point where they can make rather ignorant or ill-advised conclusions fairly regularly). Myself, I can relate to both of these, having met people so obnoxiously arrogant they could never change, as well as people so weak their negligence caused as many problems as someone who's intentionally problematic.

Personally I prefer to just have confidence for what I believe in. I'm completely open for criticism or being proven wrong but I should also have confidence in that what I know and believe and realize that my opinion and my stance is built upon a fair amount of respectable and sizable experience too; be strong in my stance and let my "opponent" be strong in theirs, and that'll likely lead us both to the correct conclusion, for which both of us will be stronger for it. Small example above, notice I'm not sitting there like an ass going "SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF U R SO WRONG AND IGNORANT AND INFERIOR TO ME PLUTO" but rather Pluto may damned well be right. Regardless, yes I am going to list off reasons Pluto may be wrong.

I just think the best stance is if both sides of a discussion can learn self-confidence and go forward with a strong opinion and open mind, and don't presume any ill-will (AKA in this case, overblown ego) from the other until it's proven through experience.

Humorless types. I've tried being friends with such people before, but they're so dry and and unfun to be around. Even if they're not particularly negative, the lack of any enthusiasm is very unpleasant.

Also, overly-prudish types who are easily disturbed by talk of lewd things.

I know, the people I avoid are truly the scum of the Earth. I guess it's because I find genuinely bad personality types, like liars and such, to be very interesting, and so the ones I actively avoid are much more mundane. But on the other hand I also haven't known many people with legitimately offensive personalities, either.

There comes a point where some psychologists try to explain every single personality quark as a disorder. What they are is traits. Everyone has some kind of mental disorder if we follow the line of reasoning that makes pathological lying a disorder. That is part of the debate and is really hard to nail down from my understanding. What is a trait from the environment and what is a disorder? Both are things that define our personalities to some extent.

People who lack empathy. When I hear someone talk about doing something beneficial for them that harms someone else and when I tell them they shouldn't do it all I get back is a "why?" on a fake confused looking face it infuriates me. Fair enough, perhaps some people have maybe not thought their actions through, but I'm talking about cases where I know that they know that they're doing something that is bad for someone else.

It can be anything from an experienced trading card player offering a newbie a trade that is obviously bad for the new player to anyone who is experienced with the game to lying about the value of property damage in the case of something like a car crash, pretending an issue that the car had previously arrived due to the crash.

Those who take advantage of others who are weaker than them in any related way, be it intelligence, strength or just a piece of knowledge that is not shared between the two, are the worst people there are in my opinion and I want nothing to do with them.

Well here's a better question for you: as someone who states they don't like pathological liars, how do you distinguish from people that just lie a lot and pathological liars?

Basically I'm saying is there a real classification of pathological liars or are you the one labeling people that just lie a lot as pathological liars?

They're out to get you.

The main difference to me - this explanation being devoid of any psychological definition because to my knowledge it's NOT listed as an official disorder - is this:

A typical liar is not a great person either. A typical liar however, you can catch them in a lie and they'll confess to it. Or a typical liar might be one to openly tell others who aren't the target of the lie that they'll be lying to so-and-so in order to achieve whatever aim it is. It's underhanded, it's vile, but the goal is more or less something practical, and once it's clear that plan of lying will fall through, that plan is abandoned. For example, I don't think it's outrageous that a number of people in this thread might not have qualms about lying to an employer or the government in order to avoid a hassle or punishment that causes a great deal of stress for them, when lying would dodge all of that. Some others might not just lie here and there to cover up for a mistake (example, say you slept in and didn't go to work and then you claim it was because of an emergency) but rather regularly utilize that more frequently to achieve the very same aims.

A pathological liar on the other hand will lie about -anything-. The pathological liars I've known often seemed to believe their lives were not fascinating enough or that they as human beings were not fascinating enough, and thus there were constant, innumerous lies about all sorts of things. The preacher's daughter I knew for example would respond to someone getting a cast or a discussion about my physical disability by claiming she had synthetic kneecaps or whatever, or she'd drastically play up her relationship with her boyfriend, going so far as to claim she was briefly pregnant before he punched her in the stomache to abort it (I [censored] you not). The details can be so mindnumbingly irrelevant or stupid that you begin to wonder what purpose there is in such a thing, especially when you lie SO frequently and about such farfetched or easily disproven [censored] that others quickly catch on and learn not to trust a word you say. Another claimed to be all sorts of former professions (former detective, former star football player for some random team somewhere, former firefighter).

With the pathological liar it's just that: pathological. It's habitual. It seems to cross the line from practical benefit in the form of dodging punishment or stress, to suddenly it's an attempt to get attention, to be looked up to, to win over friends quicker, etc etc etc. And unfortunately, as stated in my first post, while a typical liar can get caught and will begrudgingly confess to it, a pathological liar does not actually know how to tell the truth as a basic tactic and thus only knows how to tell more lies. This often leads to a personality type completely incapable of handling responsibility for one's own actions.

The difference is mostly that while a basic liar is also not someone you want to know, I can AT LEAST sympathize to a degree. I can understand the desire to dodge certain negative reactions with a lie, and I can appreciate that when caught, there's a moment where the person is now honest with me, even if it's begrudgingly. There's a guy on Steam constantly trying to scam me for some of my Team Fortess 2 stuff. Is he a pathological liar? Nah. Is he a slimey little bastard? Yeah. To clarify he'd probably try to lie his way out if caught and (purely hypothetical example here) brought to court or something over scamming people, but again that'd be more out of neccesity because he doesn't want to serve jail time. If instead of being approached by authorities looking to arrest him and got approached by someone claiming to recognize his scam technique and wanting to partner up with him (and if he trusted that person enough to come clean), he could admit to it.

With a pathological liar, this doesn't happen. All three of the pathological liars I've known have been caught in a lie by someone, and all three reacted by going on a massive, ridiculous smear campaign towards the very person that caught them. It's disgusting, and what's sad is - as stated - they may not even be able to control themselves as studies have suggested the brain chemistry of a pathological liar truly IS different. As Pluto said, avoid these people and don't bother hating them; pity them instead. But I'll be DAMNED if I'm not tempted to strangle them, and unfortunately avoiding them is sometimes easier said than done.

I can't stand sycophants, without exception.

Gonna try to see the other side here.

So what if the pathological liar is lying because they are so scared of their own insecurities they try to disguise them in lies? Is that not a practical reason? They lie more to cover up these insecurities when they get found out because then they are even more terrified of their insecurities being discovered. This then snowballs into their entire life. Most of them DON'T get caught or called on their [censored]. That why they continue to do it. It is a learned response. Lies perpetuating lies more or less. Clearly that is a disorder of sorts is it not? The lying is not, but that is just the symptom. The disorder is the rampant levels of insecurity that induce the lying.

Two things:

1) I'm merely stating it's not -officially- listed as a disorder, to my knowledge. I'm not saying it should or should not be treated as one, as that itself is a hot topic for debate (as we can see here ). My stance is pretty much if it's even a question, then just pity the pathetic little monster and move on.

2) The problem is when it crosses the line from being a lie to seem more important and significant to being a lie that hurts others, which in my experience it always does. It's a mindset that learns lies are the key to everything and thus seems incapable of learning personal responsibility, which means the moment any sort of conflict arises in their lives, a smear campaign begins against someone in order to get fingers pointed at that party instead of the pathological liar as the guilty party. That's not ok.

DudeBro's. Hate them all. You know, the kind of person who is extremely uncomfortable with their sixuality and turn everything into a contest, while going out of their way to let everyone know they are the alpha dog? Can't stand them at all.

No doubt there are people who suffer some kind of disorder which causes them to lie (whether the lying is the disorder itself or just a symptom of severe insecurity like you described). But also no doubt there are people who lie like this just because it's their personality, or how they've been raised or conditioned (I imagine a lot of salesmen fall into this category )

On the surface it's hard to distinguish between the two, and they're both equally unpleasant to be around.

Arrogance, specifically the type of arrogance that creates people who believe their opinions are infallible facts.

Liars, snobs, Hippocrates and obnoxious rednecks.