Is oblivion simply another "dimension" or is it like their version of hell? most of the game refers to it as another dimension, but when people say "By Oblivion" it kinda refrences to another phrase

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/onoblivion.shtml

This is an interesting read.
Although I'm not sure it answers your questions.

At basic face value, it's "their hell," yes.

It's the dimension of the Daedra. But at the same time, its the "blackness" of outer space. It's what Nirn, and other planets, "sit" in; its what you see at night.

In contrast, you see Aetherius ("heaven" in a basic sense) when it's daytime.

heaven=dreamsleeve.

all people go to dreamsleeve, except AF.

If all people go to it, it's not heaven.

Aetherius is heaven, in a basic sense; hell, it even means "heaven" in Latin, if I remember right.

Taking in the "lunar currency" idea, you go to the realm of th et'Ada you were "aligned" with; e.g. if TWM would go to Julianos' realm.

And what does AF mean? My brain is shutting down at the moment

Yes, yes. On first appearances yes. However things are a bit more complicated then that.

1. The god planets of the et'Ada don't reside in Aetherius, they are part of Mundus.

2. Every culture has it's culturally distinct afterlife, yet those cultures haven't always been formed exactly as they are now. Afterlife however can't be expected to undergo constant renovation.

3. Mortals and Daedra have the same origins and great similarities when it comes to souls and such, so it would be expected that roughly the mechanisms apply to them as they do to us.

4. Sovngarde, translates as Sleepers armgaurd, a dream-sleeve.

5. Mankar.

Walter:
Heaven, Hell, it's all relative. To Daedric worshippers and those of darker nature might find Oblivion fairly pleasant, but I imagine it's quite hellish for a Nine Divines cultist or someone who finds Daedra loathesome.

Kindly explain to the Oblivion oblivious please.

I'm sure the whole "enter your own Mother" crap is involved, but I doubt that's it.

We're born from the dreamsleeve unmatelled, safe for the symbiosis with our mother Nirn. (Commentaries paraphrased) Compare to the special divinity from the intercept.

'Heaven' is caelum, which also means 'sky' but is more commonly used to refer to the realm of the gods. Aether does appear in Latin, but it's a loan word from Greek. You can tell. You'd never find a 'th' in a root Latin word.

Eh. Guess I remembered wrong. Thanks for that.

That... really depends on who you ask, some reject hell and only believe in heaven, others believe heaven is only temporary and heaven comes after it ends.


Who said that? Maybe they meant AE?

That's been cleared up to me; he meant Adoring Fan. I'm incredibly Oblivion ignorant, so I couldn't guess.

I was speaking about a more stereotypical heaven; plus, if you look at Oblivion at face value and nothing else, it's hell, so there has to be that other.

In TES IV, you are only seeing what I assume is Dagon's plane of Oblivion, The Deadlands. Since he represents destruction, it makes sense that his realm has things that are destructive: actively hostile foliage, fire/lava, a harsh landscape, that sort of thing.

However, that is only one of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Oblivion. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:The_Doors_of_Oblivion is a good read, in addition to the Planes of Oblivion link I provided.

If by 'hell' you mean a negative afterlife, then I don't think Oblivion is hell. I haven't so far encountered anything to suggest that souls go there at all after the body dies. It seems more that Oblivion is comprised of different subrealms/planes that (mostly) belong to Daedric Princes. Lesser Daedra also inhabit the planes and align themselves to different Princes. The book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel:Spirit_of_the_Daedra provides a glimpse into the values and motivations behind the lesser daedra.

I'll just stop the "heaven-hell" references; it's making it seem I don't know jack crap about Aetherius or Oblivion or just lore in general, and I'd rather not make myself look more like an idiot that I already have.

It's certainly not a place as divine retribution of absence of the divine. But, having your soul taken by the Prince of [censored] and the Enslavement of Souls or being exchanged to the child-god as part of the bargain is a pretty [censored] situation.

Oblivion is a plane owned by a daedric prince where daeda manifest and are spawned from. There is no true sixual orientation for the princes, that's just what they're called. Appearances are solely up to the daedra princes themselves. Anyway, the realm of Oblivion is usually a place you don't want to find yourself. Sheogorath's, or the Madgod's realm is actually a realm of mystery and madness. Besides those two slightly bothersome attributes it's a rather splendid place to "hang-out". The prince of destruction's, or Mehrunes Dagon's realm is disastreous and manic. This is how he so chooses it to appear.

Walter:I wouldn't recommend it myself.

If you're unlucky enough to have your soul taken by Molag Bal, well, it's probably your own fault.

Mostly madness. It's no mystery that Uncly Sherry is a mystery. It's actually quite a pleasant place, especially for Oblivion. Well, Dementia not so much, but I prefer Dementia, say, to Coldharbour or Quagmire.

if you love books, apocyrpha isn't that bad.

Walter:Assuming you ignore the whole "ghosts wandering around still seeking knowledge" thing and having to cope with learning... unsavory things when reading the books there.

Nothing quite like knowing every little detail about someone's life.

Yes, but when you go insane from having done nothing but learn and having nothing to which you can apply your knowledge then there's no fun in that. Apocrypha is the epitome of worthless irony, all the knowledge you could ever want and nothing to do with it...


Ha, I scoff at the slug-god and his lack of duckies...

:turtle:

Walter:That's... that's not the problem.

Again, that's not the problem. It's more like "all the knowledge you could ever want and you won't be able to handle it, so you'll lose your mind in the process of learning all this WONDERFUL, ENDLESS information!"

Ehh, he strikes me more as a deshelled crab more than anything else.

But damn is he scary.

ok, thank you all, im guessing its not hell cause i heard a npc say hell before.

"Hell" is more of a colloquialism in TES; when people say it, they technically ARE referring to Oblivion. A real life "hell" doesn't exist in TES.

I'd advise doing some lore reading in conjunction with info in the thread, if you're still confused.