» Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:17 am This thread is to discuss and troubleshoot implementation of Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Oblivion and Skyrim patcher updates. This will be done using three different versions of Wrye Bash/Flash/Smash. Version 306.x will be primarily for Oblivion and Skyrim but anyone is more then welcome to test this version with Fallout. Since the current official releases for Fallout by Valda are working rather well and just need updating I will be providing links to those versions as well. I will use them as a baseline for the updates I am making to 306.x.
New releases will be on my http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih or a Mediafire Link. Version 306.x also marks the beginning of implementing Fallout 3 and Fallout NV support thanks to WrinklyNinja's previous efforts and starting the process for version 304.3. Valda updated Wrye Flash for Fallout 3 (30.x) and Fallout New Vegas (16.0) based off of a much older version of Wrye Bash (292 I think). Valda is not currently helping me with updates so if I can't make the changes myself they will remain unresolved. Please be patient while I wait for new volunteers that have time to help make updates.
To help with Bash Tags fireundubh has been kind enough to provide us with a beta script for xEdit that should work with all four versions. You can find updates to the script in http://forum.step-project.com/topic/6841-xedit-script-bash-tagger-detects-up-to-49-bash-tags/. Please post all bug reports and requests in that thread.
ATTN for Skyrim version: This version's Skyrim patcher is very new. Unless you know how to use TES5Edit and understand a great deal about plugins you may not want to use this version. Manual editing may be needed for the Bash patch to function correctly. Both Python and Standalone versions are available.
Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas: If you are using 306.x for Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas the Bash Patch should not have many issues since the code already existed to handle all the routines in the previous versions. Please report any issues so they can be corrected.
If you are using the official releases for FO3 and FNV they are very stable and quite usable in game. However, they do need updating so feel free to post issues you encounter with the Bash Patch.
Links to 306.x for FO3/FNV/Oblivion/Skyrim:
Wrye Bash 306.0.14-Experimental - Python Source.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/8cy5b3iai34jjt8/Wrye_Bash_EXP_306.0.14_-_Python_Source.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Wrye Bash 306.0.14-Experimental - Standalone Executable.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6sbeh9m8t67s1n/Wrye_Bash_EXP_306.0.14_-_Standalone_Executable.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Links to Wrye Flash by Valda:
Wrye Flash for FO3 v30.8 - Python Source.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/c527czt1sn6qytc/Wrye_Flash_30.8_-_Python_Source.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Wrye Flash for FO3 v30.8 - Standalone Executable.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/im8kpm38k67oh1k/Wrye_Flash_30.8_-_Standalone_Executable.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Wrye Flash for FNV v16.6 - Python Source.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/4mo553jkhnfbci3/Wrye_Flash_16.6_-_Python_Source.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Wrye Flash for FNV v16.6 - Standalone Executable.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/download/cun8b79ec7zc96u/Wrye_Flash_16.6_-_Standalone_Executable.7z, http://1drv.ms/1o8jvih
Bethesda WIpz threads for FO3/FNV/Skyrim Updates:
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1509287-wipz-wrye-bashexp-skyrim-patcher-update-thread-2/
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1512942-wipz-wrye-bashexp-oblivion-patcher-update-thread-1/
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1507128-wipz-wrye-bashexp-fo3-patcher-update-thread-1/
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1507127-wipz-wrye-bashexp-fnv-patcher-update-thread-1/
STEP Thread:
http://forum.step-project.com/topic/6872-wrye-bashsmashflash-patcher-updates/
What kind of testing am I looking for?
I need people with a great deal of knowledge with Bash Tags and plugins to report errors with the Bash Patch for it's respective patchers. For example if a sound from a mod should have ended up in the bash patch but didn't, I need to know. The only bugs I am not interested in are Unicode related bugs. So if you go to install a mod and you get a Unicode error post that in the Wrye Bash thread.
What I am not looking for in regards to version 306.x:
The Python based patchers have never been updated that I am aware of. At least not for the last three years. If records do not carry over into the Bash Patch that clearly should be there I am not directly causing this. I am not experienced with Python enough to change the patcher's behaviour. I can only assign or update records and subrecords to their respective patchers. Once there are volunteers willing to help hopefully the patchers can be updated to produce a more accurate patch. In the meantime rather then assuming the patcher is buggy, I suggest checking all the Bash Tags by using the provided script.
In regards to CBash for Oblivion, I will consider updating the Python code that tells CBash what to do. However, if after I make updates, if the same issue is still occurring, I will not be able to update CBash itself. 99% of the time any issues with CBash will originate from flawed Python code.
Error reporting:
Post the Game you are using (FO3/FNV/TES4/TES5) the FormID of the record, what type of record it is (MGEF, INGR), the Subrecord involved, and the name of the field in xEdit. For example, "Skyrim SNDD - Sounds, Sound".
If I can't find a similar type of setup for the record in the CK/CS/GECK I may ask for a link to the mod.
Record structures:
Documentation for Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas plugin file formats can be found on https://github.com/WrinklyNinja/fopdoc courtesy of WrinklyNinja
- https://github.com/WrinklyNinja/fopdoc/blob/master/Fallout3/Records.md
- https://github.com/WrinklyNinja/fopdoc/blob/master/FalloutNV/Records.md
- http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes5Mod:Mod_File_Format
- http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Mod_File_Format
- Additional record formats can be found on my (very, very, poor) port of https://github.com/TES5Edit/TES5Edit-GoogleCode/blob/master/TES5Edit/trunk/Delphi%20XE/wbDefinitionsTES5.pas. Extremely rough draft of what the functions mean https://github.com/TES5Edit/TES5Edit-GoogleCode/wiki/xEdit-Arguments,-Functions,-and-Procedures.
If you have forgotten the http://sharlikran.github.io/wrye-bash.github.io/Wrye%20Bash%20Advanced%20Readme.html#patch-tags most of them are in this list. As I update Wrye Bash I will update that section to reflect changes I have made.
Supported Bash tags for 306.x:
Oblivion: Body-F, Body-M, Body-Size-M, Body-Size-F, C.Climate, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.RecordFlags, C.Owner, C.Water, Deactivate, Delev, Eyes, Factions, Relations, Filter, Graphics, Hair, IIM, Invent, Names, NoMerge, NpcFaces, R.Relations, Relev, Scripts, ScriptContents, Sound, SpellStats, Stats, Voice-F, Voice-M, R.Teeth, R.Mouth, R.Ears, R.Head, R.Attributes-F, R.Attributes-M, R.Skills, R.Description, R.AddSpells, R.ChangeSpells, Roads, Actors.Anims, Actors.AIData, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd, Actors.Stats, Actors.ACBS, NPC.Class, Actors.CombatStyle, Creatures.Blood, Actors.Spells, Actors.SpellsForceAdd, NPC.Race, Actors.Skeleton, NpcFacesForceFullImport, MustBeActiveIfImported, Npc.HairOnly, Npc.EyesOnly
Skyrim: C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Location, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, C.RecordFlags, C.Water, Deactivate, Delev, Filter, Graphics, Invent, Names, NoMerge, Relev, Sound, Stats
Fallout 3: C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, C.RecordFlags, C.Water, Deactivate, Deflst, Delev, Destructible, Factions, Filter, Graphics, Invent, Names, NoMerge, Relations, Relev, Sound, Stats
Fallout New Vegas: C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, C.RecordFlags, C.Water, Deactivate, Deflst, Delev, Destructible, Factions, Filter, Graphics, Invent, Names, NoMerge, Relations, Relev, Sound, Stats, WeaponMods
Supported Bash tags for Wrye Flash FNV:
Fallout New Vegas: Body-F, Body-M, Body-Size-M, Body-Size-F, C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.RecordFlags, C.Owner, C.Water, Deactivate, Delev, Eyes, Factions, Relations, Filter, Graphics, Hair, IIM, Invent, Names, NoMerge, NpcFaces, R.Relations, Relev, Scripts, ScriptContents, Sound, Stats, Voice-F, Voice-M, R.Teeth, R.Mouth, R.Ears, R.Head, R.Attributes-F, R.Attributes-M, R.Skills, R.Description, Roads, Actors.Anims, Actors.AIData, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd, Actors.Stats, Actors.ACBS, NPC.Class, Actors.CombatStyle, Creatures.Blood, NPC.Race, Actors.Skeleton, NpcFacesForceFullImport, MustBeActiveIfImported, Deflst, Destructible, WeaponMods
Supported Bash tags for Wrye Flash FO3:
Fallout 3: Body-F, Body-M, Body-Size-M, Body-Size-F, C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.RecordFlags, C.Owner, C.Water, Deactivate, Delev, Eyes, Factions, Relations, Filter, Graphics, Hair, IIM, Invent, Names, NoMerge, NpcFaces, R.Relations, Relev, Scripts, ScriptContents, Sound, Stats, Voice-F, Voice-M, R.Teeth, R.Mouth, R.Ears, R.Head, R.Attributes-F, R.Attributes-M, R.Skills, R.Description, Roads, Actors.Anims, Actors.AIData, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd, Actors.Stats, Actors.ACBS, NPC.Class, Actors.CombatStyle, Creatures.Blood, NPC.Race, Actors.Skeleton, NpcFacesForceFullImport, MustBeActiveIfImported, Deflst, Destructible
Patcher Progress:
A link detailing which records are not functioning in Wrye Bash and an update of what is and isn't finished at this time is available on the Wrye Bash https://github.com/wrye-bash/wrye-bash.
https://github.com/wrye-bash/wrye-bash/issues/151
https://github.com/wrye-bash/wrye-bash/issues/150
I have a very limited knowledge of Python. I will need help if it involves more complex routines. Updating the records is pretty straight forward and sometimes the patchers make sense including reading the specific fields in a record like MGEF or whatever. So I will be able to update some things on my own. I will be posting in the Known Issues section things that have been reported that I cannot update or have not been updated.
Known Issues:
Oblivion:
None at this time.
Skyrim:
- Keywords are not copied into the Bash Patch.
- VMAD records from loosing plugins are not copied into the Bash Patch.
- Some records with repeating sounds like SNDR:ANAM are not carried over into the Bash Patch.
- Special routine needed to handle INAM for Outfits.
- LVLD - Chance None is not always utilized. Needs verification because code does look at this value.
- CTDA conditions not always carried over into bash patch from loosing plugins.
Interior cells
XCLW - Field is being blanked out, which may lead to Bash adding unnecessary records. If Bash needs to make a record for the cell, set it to the huge negative value. Otherwise don't import it at all.
Fallout 3:
None at this time.
Fallout New Vegas:
None at this time.
Version numbers will start with 306 but since this is a beta and not an official release I will make incremental updates, 306.0.01, and so on.
Volunteers Needed:
Currently I am looking for volunteers to contribute Wrye Bash. The main focus is updating Wrye Bash's Skyrim Patcher. However, this version also has limited Fallout 3 and Fallout NV support. Wrye Bash is written in Python so I am looking for people who are fairly knowledgeable with that programming language. You need to have Skyrim installed on your system so that you can test your updates to the code. If you wish to help with Fallout support then you should own a copy of Fallout 3 or New Vegas.
If you wish to help please PM me with your GitHub account name and which game mode you are willing to help with. P.S. please be willing to at least proofread my attempts to write Python code for Skyrim even if you prefer not to help with that and don't own a copy of Skyrim.
