Is there a "Promotional" Nerevarine?

Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:00 pm

There are still outlander implications even in the main prophecies. See, for example, the prophecy of The Stranger: "To the hearth there comes a stranger"--even if they didn't interpret it as such, this seems like a pretty clear implication that the Nerevarine is not an Ashlander. Being an outlander is also not part of the Seven Trials, only that the Nerevarine was born on a certain day to uncertain parents. I also wouldn't assert it as necessarily deliberate that the Lost Prophecies were lost: many tribes have disappeared along with their wise women and the lore they kept. Finally, driving out the Empire is implicit in restoring the glory of Resdayn; a conquered nation, even if conquered by treaty, is hardly at the apex of its glory.

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Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:12 pm

If the Nerevarine doesn't possess any of the qualities of Lord Indoril Nerevar, then why bother calling the player an incarnation of Nerevar? Why not just say you're some dude, or girl, who was arrested for parking your horse in a loading zone and was taken to prison, etc...? An incarnation, by definition, is someone who embodies a deity or spirit in a physical body.

Who are the NPCs that speak of potentially driving out the Empire?

I don't necessarily agree with that, though. In the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ashlanders]Lore of Ashlanders, they are described, in general, as Dunmeri nomads of Morrowind's wilderness. Of course not the Ashlanders we see on Vvardenfell, but a nomad from the southern jungles near Argonia's border. Hmm, in that case, a person from that region wouldn't be called an Ashlander then, would they? They'd probably just be called a nomad or wild man. I'm sure a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child from the southern jungles would quality as an outlander and meet the criteria of the prophecies; a person not knowing anything of the outside world, etc.... what are your thoughts?

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Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:50 pm

Yes, you have the soul of Lord Nerevar Indoril within you; you are his reincarnation. But there's nothing in the story itself to suggest you remember your past life, and since you can act however you feel like doing you may not even act in anyway like Nerevar.

To be fair, you'd still be a stranger to the hearth of the Urshilaku and the Vvardenfell Ashlanders. From a realistic perspective, feral children tend to stay feral, but in-game I suppose some sort of ancestral spirit or otherworldly being could have humanized the child.

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Post » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:54 am

I still don't it. I've read that souls were "washed away" from a person's body in the DreamSleave, wiping them clean. Kind of like take a drop from a bottle and putting it into a pond. Once the drop of water is in the pond, you can never get that same drop back because it is mixed in with an infinitely large pond, so to speak. That's just one interpretation I've read. It doesn't quite make sense with the ancestral spirits because obviously, if that were the case, what are all these free, or lost, spirits doing wandering around tombs and mountains instead of being washed away in the Dreamsleave?

So then what exactly are the qualities of a soul? That's actually an answer I'd like to know for Elder Scrolls as well as here on Earth. Souls aren't made of anything material, although neither is energy when you divide it down into the quarks, neutrinos, gravitons, strings, etc... (probably off-topic here)

If you have Nerevar's soul, what quality of Nerevar do you possess? I get that you have his soul within your body (or any of the 10 species, which is not to say that the Nerevarine could have been born a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sload or any of the other enigmatic species on Akavir) but what would the difference be between having Nerevar's soul within you and having some random simple beggar's soul from the 1st era within your body? Do you possess his courage? His fear? His personality? His quirks? His prowess? His sixual vitality? His temperment? I think the soul is the intelligence that drives and directs the outcome and behaviour of one's personality; the observer within the body, the consciousness that feels and that is filled with awareness. What are your thoughts?

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Post » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:46 am

Well, I don't know what ordinarily happens to souls in TES, but I would guess what happened to Nerevar's was the special intervention of Azura--from anything I've ever heard, reincarnation is not a usual thing in TES (though I admit that the afterlife is something I'm only really familiar with for Dunmer--as ancestral ghosts or the Ghostfence--and Nords in Sovngarde).

As for your second question, I don't think the game gives a clear answer. In fact, when Dagoth Ur asks you if you are the Nerevarine, you can even say no, and when he asks if you really have Nerevar's soul, "no" and "I don't know" are both included among the possible answers. I guess how convinced you are that you are Nerevar incarnate, how much you remember of being Nerevar the first time, and what attributes you inherit from him depends on your roleplay. Concerning my most recent and only successful Nerevarine, Mehra Tabni, I would say she believed she was the Nerevarine and that she had Nerevar's soul, but she didn't remember her life as Nerevar. What she inherited of Nerevar's personality was cunning, faith, and loyalty to her friends and her people--even when the Tribunal declared her a heretic she was convinced she was still serving both the Dunmer and the Tribunal Temple. And in the end she regretted having to slay Dagoth Ur who had once been Voryn Dagoth her friend, even if he was too far gone and even if she couldn't remember him as such.

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Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:18 pm

Nice synopsis of your story. That's one thing I love most about Morrowind is the story and the many different directions you can take it.

Yeah, that sounds about right; taking with you the qualities of Nerevar such as faith, devotion to your dunmer people and loyalty. Mehra sounds like a great incarnation of Nerevar. What is her class?

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Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:14 pm

Custom class, mixture of magic and sneak skills leaning slightly heavier towards magic. It's actually been a little while now, but I do recall her most-used skills were Short Blades, Mysticism, Restoration, and Alteration, and I'm pretty certain she was Unarmored. Speechcraft, Light Armor, Sneak, and Illusion were in there as well; I suspect the final skill was probably Barter. I think her sign was The Shadow with an aspect of Masser (I use Expanded Birthsigns for Purists). She was a Velothi (settled Temple-worshiping Ashlander) from the Mainland. This is her at http://zaarin1.deviantart.com/art/Practicing-Bleeding-to-Death-457415638.

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Post » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:02 am

Each Event is preceded by a Prophecy

But without a Hero, there can be no Event.

In the end, the Nerevarine was always a manufactured savior. But it wasn't on mortal terms that the savior was built. In the end, without Azura's favor, all Nerevarine are False Incarnates.

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Post » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:34 pm

Ha, I just wish the picture right there for Nerevarine....I just wish he had another hairstyle that I always play him as. Although the Champion of Cyrodill looked great. Just wish we can see his hair.

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