So I've checked this mod out, and I do like it. Unfortunately, the only version I can find is Russian, and seems to have entries for every kind of clothing in the game. Unfortunately, this means it completely conflicts with Better Clothing. I've tried changing the load order, but nothing seems to help.

Is there an English language version anywhere?

Uh, yeah. Canadian Ice has a website. You have to register there in order to download anything, though - and they don't accept hotmail accounts.

There actually probably shouldn't be a Russian version of that mod as CI is very protective of her work, which is why she hosts it all on a private forum and nowhere else.

Exactly.

http://canadianice.moddersrealm.com/RobeReplacer.html And yes, the robes are worth the trouble of signing up for them.

Thanks.

I downloaded it from http://morrowind2009.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/step-11-refine-the-graphics-text-models-and-sounds/. (IceBradyHurdyRobesRU)

This is good, because the NioLiv robes look better, I think.

That shouldn't be there either :banghead: Do please realize that if you have any problems with that mod after downloading it from an unauthorized location after being fully informed that it is an unauthorized upload, you'll be on your own fixing said problems.

I think you misunderstood me. That's where I got it originally and why I came here for help. I downloaded the Ice & Nioliv mod from Ice's website, which is not in Russian and does not replace every piece of clothing in the game. I just linked where I found the download because you said it shouldn't exist.

I don't understand where I said anything that implied I downloaded that version yet again.

I mean, thank you for the link to her forum - I really appreciate that.

I got that impression from your previous post:



There are no time qualifiers in that statement to make show that you'd downloaded it from there previously not recently.

But it makes no sense in context with my statement that I preferred the NioLiv robes?

I'm sorry I wasn't as clear as I could have been, I was just pointing out where I found the bad mod. I'd comment on the blog itself, but the owner closed comments. I really appreciate having a working version of this mod that does not override better clothes and put Russian labels all over my wardrobe.

Tesall.ru has always asked me for permission to translate and host my mods, and I am pretty sure they do the same with other mods/ authors. You should probably ask the admins at tesall and/or Canadian Ice before saying it's an "unauthorized location". As far as I know, CI has always let people translate her mods into other languages.
I think it is pretty cool of them to take the time to make English mods available in Russian, but that's just me. Again, I do not know myself for sure whether this mod is being hosted with permission at tesall, but I think it is better not to jump to conclusions.

Now I wouldn't use the Russian version of this mod wih Morrowind in English, not because it is "unauthorized" but because chances are all of the modified items will be given Russian names. I would use the original English version of the mod which is, as others have said in this topic, only available at CI's forums.

Actually in context to the previous statement, it only made it seem like you'd found a version of CI's robes that used NioLiv's meshes on that link. I honestly thought you'd simply found another link from an unauthorized site to download.

All of that's not nearly as important as the fact that you've gotten what you needed and it's all working correctly though. Congrats and enjoy.

@Mandamus - of course I've got PM's out to all the authors on that site that I know tend not to want their things hosted else where. So far Tanya's not happy but I haven't heard back from Korana, Westly, CI, or Alienslof yet. I'm leaving it up to them to decide what's what, as it isn't my work to get in arms about.

That said - I don't see where it isn't reasonable to call something unauthorized when you know that a modders policy is to disallow hosting elsewhere to the point that they've created their own space for that purpose as is the case with CI. It'd be like spotting Kagz mods somewhere else while he was still modding, I'm sure you'll remember Kagz. Creating a personal space where no one can download without being given access is a whole nother deal than uploading something to the major download sites with a readme that asks for people to 'pretty please not put this someplace else without permission' it's a pretty clear distinction that's easy to make with a glance.

On the other hand, I also admire and appreciate a place to share mods with the various international communities. There is a lot of stuff wrong with that link though, including the fact that it goes to an English site that many new players are using as gospel on how to install their first game of Morrowind then links to the Russian site. People coming across that link have no idea about the intricacies of the various game translations and are going to get into trouble attempting to install that on their English systems.

But hosting translated versions is a whole different question. I know because I originally come from one of these international communities, the French wiwiland website. I have seen mods made CanadianIce, and yes, Kagz, hosted there without any problems, after permission was granted. This is why I don't assume anything. That, and as I said, I was asked for permission, which I gladly gave (it was very flattering ), so I am surprised by what you are saying about Tanya's work being hosted without permission there (as I don't see why they would ask me but not her??). This is all very confusing!


Yeah, I agree that linking to a Russian mod is really not a good idea for a website in English aimed at beginners. :s

I wouldn't use that site for a full Morrowind install. I found it while looking for cosmetic upgrades, and it has a nice list of texture upgrades and mods that really do make Morrowind look a lot nicer. But I'm not sure I agree with his philosophy on game mechanics, and I'm pretty sure that even following his directions step by step would end up with inexplicable (to a new player) crashes with no real guidance or idea on how to fix them, or even where to look. He doesn't offer a lot of troubleshooting advice in his instructions. But then, I'm also not a new player, just haven't seriously played since Tribunal came out.

I totally agree with what you're saying here.

Just heard back from AlienSlof about that site. It's most definitely not authorized to have her stuff. She's tried talking to them about her items in the past and they generally act like they don't care about hosting files she doesn't want hosted there. Still haven't heard back from the others but it doesn't seem likely that this situation is going to get better. It seems like a situation of give permission or not the files will be hosted anyway :shrug:

I see. I am very sorry to hear that. By the way, I hope you did not think I just felt like arguing with you or anything like that, I just wanted to tell my side of the story. I think it is great that you are taking the time to contact mod authors whose works are hosted on this site. You could also try to contact the admins of tesall, they were very nice and polite with me, and maybe the situation could be taken care of quicker and smoother this way.

No worries Mandamus, different perspectives sometimes lead to good results.

I'm going to let the respective mod authors decide if and when they want to contact Tesall for a few reasons. I don't speak Russian though I know at least in CI's case that she might have access to a Russian modder willing to act as translator and go between - which would hopefully make communication clearer and easier. Also these aren't my works, so while I don't feel at all bad about saying there seems to be something amiss here my opinion on the matter doesn't matter nearly as much as the content creator's opinion does. I don't want to sound like a rabid really devoted fan barking at shadows and potentially making things worse before the modders in question have had a chance to act so I'll leave the communication to those best suited for it.

kalian, who is modder here and communicates as well is from russia, too. so maybe you may ask him to help you. I'm quite sure, he is a member of a russian modder community as well.

That's how I see things as well

Sounds reasonable to me. I guess it's now up to the modders themselves what they want to do about it.

Kalian is the one who asked me for permission to host my stuff on tesall. He is very nice, and I agree he can probably help!

well my 2 cents would be to have them (the mod authors) fill out the wordpress complaint form http://en.wordpress.com/complaints/, and yea they make it a pain to find!

It may be similar to me posting KAGZ' work at elricm. I got KAGZ OK, as I do for any mods and resources I upload anywhere. But sometimes someone can upload a mod, often being well-meaning, to a mod site without permission, and it may be very hard for the original modder to get the download of their work removed from the site. So some mods at that russian site may be totally OK to be there, and other things most not OK.

Looks like the original question has been answered, and we're drifting off topic a bit now so I'm going to put this thread to bed.

Kali Magdalene, I hope you enjoy the robes.