They were still sickeningly friendly. "Hello!" "Good day!" "Hello there!" I much preferred in Morrowind where, even at high disposition, they gave you long, flowy introductions.

Cyrodiil is supposed to be a jungle. Vvardenfell is supposed to be a massive ash-ey wasteland with lava all over. Dwemer are supposed to be outside Morrowind. Daedric armour is supposed to be uber rare.

Things change from lore. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Dumner should sound like they're from Vvardenfell all the time, it's a better game experience.

I know they're supposed to sound more like Altmer, but that's not what Dumner are about. I want to be a nasty slaver who hates everyone of a different race. I can't do that when I sound like a High Elf.

I didn't hate any main character in particular, but I hated the random people you'd walk past and have the insult you. I actually killed the ones who insulted me. Walking around for hours upon hours almost dead looking for a potion, only to be insulted by someone brought our the madness in me. I liked how the utilized that aspect of the game

It wouldn't make any sense for the Oblivion Dunmer to be like the Morrowind Dunmer.

The ash made them sound the way they did, and the Morrowind Dunmer hate outlanders. That's why they're all pissy to everyone else including Dunmer outlanders.
Most of the Dunmer in Oblivion would be outlanders, since they were born outside of Morrowind. There for not raised in a slave owning, racist, chain smoker society.
So it wouldn't make sense for them to be super jerks.


The Dunmer are my favorite race. I loved them in Morrowind and I liked them in Oblivion.

Anywho... On topic

I hated Almalexia, Foryn Gilnith, and Hrisskar Flat-foot for bullying poor old Fargoth.

Gameplay, can, in some cases be more important than sticking to lore 100%, though? If you look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8pyOP0VQI&playnext_from=TL&videos=jbMekPUBbhA annoying video, they where originally to sound like Morrowind Dumner. I would have, perhaps, have not worried about the softer voices, but it went too far in Oblivion.


I thought I was the only Fargoth Sympathiser! :laugh: :laugh:

I feel bad for Foryn, myself (Killed the taxman, right?) I mean, he was poor enough as it was without loosing his money to the taxman Although he may have went too far... At least he gives his girlfriend his ring...

Ordinators. All of them. Those bastards. Actually, I kind of hate guards in general, even when I'm not a criminal. Just too damn shifty, them guards is...

Beyond that I simply cannot stand Clavicus Vile. 99.9% of my utter hatred of him is because of his voice. I mean really, was Bethesda so low on cash that they got a Dev's kid to do the voice or something? Just so mind-bogglingly and irritatingly high-pitched and nasally at the same time, impossible for anyone IRL to sound that annoying, IMPOSSIBLE!!!

I give you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEqwKNNQBwc.

Please don't point out that the pitch is raised on a computer.. It pained me to watch that 1 second of the video before I got to pause it while getting the link. I feel like my soul has been poisoned.

I'm actually a big fan of Foryn Gilnith... He was an easy source of 700+ gold as well as a starter house.

personaly I think the biggest idiot is hundolin. I dont know why though. he just annoys me

Gaenor. Oh god.

So why do the Dunmer in Mournhold talk the same as the one from Vvardenfall?

The devs got lazy and didn't want more voices in OB, simple as that.

Heh, lazy? Talk more about money. Voice actors are a big expense.


I hated the nobility in Daggerfall. Most of them are corrupted bastards who will gladly offer a stranger money for smuggling diamonds. Now that I think of it, they're not bastards, they're just acting like a well-educated noble would. Stabbing people behind their backs.

Not so bad when you got the occasional enchanted gem or amulet. After travelling halfway across the bay and scouring dungeons for some stupid cousin and getting reimbursed with 600 gold, however, I can certainly see where you're coming from. Oh, not to mention how they absolutely mock your inability to inflict the slightest amount of damage upon them and the other sprites - confounded cardboard courtiers! Stop staring at me! :ahhh:





We really need these sorts of characters in TES V.

M'aiq in Oblivion.

Yes, Bethesda, call everyone who liked crossbows in Morrowind stupid. Dammit, why did they have to make him an essential NPC... :banghead:

Hmm...then again. He was named "M'Aiq" in Morrowind... IMPOSTER!

At least we can intimidate them by killing their bodyguards.

Somehow, cousins are the best source of revenue for criminals in the 'Bay.
But, yes, we really need corrupted members of the noble family in TES V.

Heh, actually I do hate two person in particular. Queen Aub-Ki and Nulfaga. Aub-Ki sends you on a 50 days voyage to go ask how Nulfaga, an old almost deaf crazy woman residing in her castle filled with undead, battlemages and werewolves, is doing. After having asked the old woman the question, and getting a unintelligible answer, return on the 50 days voyage back to Daggerfall and Queen Aub-Ki says "Thanks. Here's 300 gold. Bye."
Damn these two women.

Aub-Ki is a particularly annoying sort - if I recall, she doesn't even talk to you if you don't have a quest active. Gothryd on the other hand would send you on an errand to deliver a cape and then speak highly of you for the rest of the game. :celebration:

Glarthir. I avoid him every time i am in Skingrad.

Arquen of the Dark Brotherhood in OB...just...never could trust her...even after was all said and done...

Sugar-Lips Habasi of Thieves Guild in MW...not sure why but it just felt like such a chore helping her out...

Then again, this is awesome. Would love to see it in TESV, not everyone who needs help in Tamriel is a millionairre :shrug:

Aub-Ki is a millionaire, that's why it's so hilarious! :foodndrink:

i hate Gaenor, The Adoring Fan, and Fargoth

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Morrowind had one more voice actor than Oblivion. It wasn't lazy or stingy devs, it was lazy voice actors, and Bethesda deciding that, for whatever reason, they preferred it that way.

OT fun fact: SAG minimum payment allows a voice actor to do three separate voices in an eight-hour period. That assumes they have the ability, so maybe not lazy actors, but just not very talented.

They really need to invest much much more in this next time around, forget the big name celebs and just get us better actors, more actors and a good voice director to tie it all together.

Helseth's reforms only weakened the Dunmer and strengthened its enemies namely the Nords and most especially the Argonians. He plunged his country in civil war, dividing the Dunmer against one another--weakening everybody. House Redoran alone was beset by invading Orcs 'n' Nords and Daedra. Ald'ruhn was destroyed which presumably meant the death knell for the Redorans. Helseth used Hlaalu and Dres to destroy or annex Indoril. I guess you believe everything you read in the Imperial Guide 3rd edition? Reforming the Great Houses and the Grand Council was merely a facade. Helseth's goal was to dismantle the Great Houses all along in favor of monarchy.

He incurred civil war by taking the unwise move of dismantling his people's cultural practice however abhorrent all to gain favor from its Imperial overlords and Argonian neighbors. Little good it did when the MoT nuked Vvardenfell and the better part of the mainland. Argonians from within and without killed those that survived and the rest of the Dunmer fled from their country. So much for abolition. Should've kept the lizards in chains or better to slaughter the lot of them. I'd say he failed.


It still doesn't make it a good idea. The sermons and all that bs lore were tossed up way before Morrowind's production. Yeah I read it and thought, "Surely Bethesda is not going to be that stupid!" I was wrong.