Amazing...Simply Amazing.

Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:45 pm

So I'm sorry if this post gets a little long but I made this account just so I could share my experience with the game. I've been playing games for quite some time, would consider myself to be an connoisseur of the sort and have been playing Bethesda games for a considerable amount of time(since Morrowind). That being said, I find that the company has evolved tremendously whether it be graphics, gameplay or writing but I would like to delve into the discussion of writing because it seems to me that it stuck out like a sunlit diamond among a sea of black in this latest installment.

(meaty part in 3rd paragraph)

To start off, the beginning of the of the story came with a pace similar to other role playing games associated with this company but with a sudden impact of tragedy. Usually you are a blank slate individual whose past can be made as the player sees fit but that player can decide to not have a family or to have one, be a murderous vagabond, valiant knight, or whatever the roleplaying calls for. In the latest Bethesda fallout story you are once again found being part of a family and thrust into the fray that is the wasteland only this time taking the viewpoint of the father or mother, instead of the son/daughter, who has seemed to lose everything. This introductory sequence already triggers a familiar aspect of life that we hold so dear...family. In videogames its hard to trigger emotion in an individual because of uncanny valley qualities, poor writing, bad pacing, action over story, or whatever the reason. This wasn't the case with fallout 4 and ill put it among others like the last of us or heavy rain. I say this because of the fact that the overarching story brings up a very touchy subject of what is it to have humanity, the things people will do to hold true to their ideology, and what you as an individual/greater whole are willing to sacrifice. All these ideas come together to form an experience that mirrors the real world and what is great is that the experience makes you think about your choices as a leader OR a follower.

Throughout the series the underlying idea is that "War...War never changes", which is perfect for the scenario set upon by this game company in that all these ideas(humanity, ideology, sacrifice) all come together to try and explain exactly why "war...war never changes."

In games like these I particularly like to role-play as myself and make decisions in the game I think I would make in real life. As one could imagine, especially one who has completed the game, this turns out to be very strenuous. It is at this point where I get into the meaty facet of this post. In the game Im playing as a normal person who has aligned himself with the brotherhood of steel because lets face it...power armor. Really, though, in actuality when I first came upon the brotherhood of steel it was easy to be a part of another kind of family that at first seemed to be part of the "greater good" but as the story progressed I felt less and less sure of my decision to join them and that is what is great about this game. One wants to always do the right thing but there isn't always a black and white answers. In history people do horrible things and try to justify them to help them sleep at night or that they believed so hard in what they were doing was ethical. Furthering the narrative you meet the leader of the illustrious brotherhood of steel who also seems at first to have to same views as you do but turns out to be a person who believes so much in his own particular set of morals that hes willing to sacrifice anything for those ideals. These people tend to be dangerous and as I played more and more of the faction I found myself in the shoes of a soldier who find himself in the midst of a real world counterpart. That counterpart being a republic turned totalitarian with a goal driven by fear. I mean come on, the faction has a zeppelin with emphasis on technology and im running around with a german shepherd storming hiding places of "sympathizers." In all seriousness this is absolutely my opinion of this and doesn't make it true but for me it felt like this was the point. I found myself as a person who wanted to do the right thing but realized those ideals I held before were being whittled down only to be replaced by those of a man I barely knew but whom so many respected. Maybe I'm wrong but this is great being implemented because people find themselves in these situations throughout history and the story must be told so that it isn't repeated. At this point in the game I was curious how the rest of the tale would play out so I continued my journey until the end. The finale involved the institute which was another faction that was joinable during your adventure whos ideals actually ran concurrent with the brotherhood of steel but the bos was just further down in the evolutionary process. There are a lot of aspects with the institute that I will leave out for sake of your time but the one idea that remained constant was the idea that science goes to far. The scientists in the institute were playing God deciding who deserves life and who doesn't, making life in their image because they could, and all in the name of bettering humanity at the cost of their own. The reason for them personifying these characteristics is that they have made androids that act, look, and up to the player to decide, feel like human beings. So after seeing most of what the brotherhood of steel and the institute were about I moved on to the other two factions that a player can be a part of in the game. The minutemen are a group similar to the brotherhood of steel, the only difference is that the faction is still in infancy due to the fact that they disbanded and are leaderless. This is where the player comes in and plays the part of the leader instead of the lowly grunt, where YOU are the respected and YOU are the one incorporating your own ideals into the people you lead. This happens to be another great part of this fantasy in that you can decide whether to side with the brotherhood, the institute or the railroad but if the player does the ideas and morals of those factions replace your own. The last and final faction happens to be the one with the most sense in my opinion in that they want to preserve life(even if it isn't life, its pretty close) rather than see it all burn and they are called the Railroad. The Railroad is important in this fiction in that it brings up the important decision of what exactly is humanity? Can what we call the soul be created? The railroad seems to think so and they could be totally right or they could be horribly wrong. What is important about The Railroad is that they are a faction who are willing to fight for the ideal that seems innocent enough but at the same time really don't know whats right and what is wrong but know that in their gut that any being portraying human characteristics deserves to be treated as equally.

In closing I'd like to say this game was an amazing experience with an amazing storyline. I'm curious if anyone on this forum felt the same as me as I traversed the landscape of the commonwealth questioning my every choice. I know that this story has been told before but I've never been so entranced in it because of the fact that it was a character made to be me. So what do you think? Are these ideologies why "War...war never changes?"

(p.s. the mission where you had to figure out the location of the railroad and spin the dial, this...TEN-BILLION TIMES MORE THIS!)

(p.s. p.s. don't destroy me on punctuation)

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:02 am

bump

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Melung Chan
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:13 pm

Even though im level 33...or...35 and beat the main quest I still dont feel like I fully experianced fallout 4. i still have a long way to go :)
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:52 pm

I agree multiple playthroughs are needed because of the fact that I failed almost every charisma check

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:47 pm

this whole intertwined main quest and factions things has me going bonkers, and I have both the strategy guide and wiki to fall back on.

but yes in classic Bethesda faction there are micro stories everywhere along with little quests.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:06 pm

It really is a good fun game, but I'm on the fence regarding lore, and story.

BOS logistics and motivations seem misguided at best.

Institute seems to beat around the bush too much

Minutemen seem to need their leader to do leg work with no support

Railroad don't care about humanity it seems

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:58 pm

honestly I feel really bad when I go against the brotherhood because I built them up in FO3. I just don't like the institute, the railroad are shortsighted and would let a human die to protect a vending machine, and the minutemen seem kind of cliché cause its the first group you come into contact with.

though I usually go with minutemen because you re-establish and re build them, as well as being the leader from the beginning. . .that and wandering into minute men and having them say "General!" in the wild totally plays on my ego ^_^

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:55 pm

I`m level 35 and probably only half way through the story. I love being almost like a double agent so far because while I`m a Knight in the Brotherhood of Steel, I`m running missions for the Railroad secretly. It feels like my Character is leading a double life and when you hear the Railroad guys talking badly about the BOS, I`m thinking "If they only knew I`m a Knight...".

I know it`s going to come to a hard choice soon and that it won`t continue but it`s added a lot of enjoyment to this great game. So many other things like the sheer insanity of walking around a destroyed city and there`s literally a war going on around you...raiders, supermutants, gunners and BOS all fighting it out...masses of gunshots...vertibirds exploding into buildings...it just feels epic to be part of it.

I think I`ll be playing FO4 for a LONG time to come, more so than FO3 when the mods hit :)

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:38 pm

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz :yawn:

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:25 pm


Personally, being called "General" by a guy sending me on errands is the only thing I don't like about the minutemen. I love the rebuilding aspect. They are the only ones with an agenda I fully support.

I support the railroad,of course, but their goals are too limited. Plus the fact that (no spoilers intended) the companion you'd think would care about the railroad doesn't care at all makes me wonder if they're really just toasters, and we're being guilty of the sin of anthropomorphism.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:08 pm

a wild solax is blocking your path.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:12 am

This is what I liked the most. But in the end, it's a hard choice.

But the landscape, turning the corner only to be faced with a horde of ghouls. And running for cover, dropping mines in my wake, hoping to thin out their numbers.

Also the South of the map is probably my favorite. And damn scary at times.

I'm on my second play-through. The first one I missed probably 70% iof the game cause I just put the Power Armor on and plowed through the MQ. I have discovered that the best part of this game are the side quests and the various stuff you kind-of trip over.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:00 am

anthropomorphism...ha that's great. im wondering which companion you're talking about. Is it Nick?

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:35 am

I hear ya :) earlier I visited the Railroad to be told they know I`m with the BOS and the choice was put in front of me there and then. I had to honestly say I don`t know.

Then I visited the BOS and before I know it, I`m off to the Glowing Sea again...

I need to do another playthrough for the Railroad final path, damn.

I did the opposite of your way - spent ages doing the little quests before finally getting back to the MQ and now I`m bulldozing through in my Power Armor haha.

Yeah the South part is pretty crazy and so is the East, some really nasty stuff out there! Had a few scares, like the time a Legendary Mirelurk Hunter errupted out of the sand at my feet with another 2 Mirelurks and the Mirelurk King...I just fired a few wild shots, got one shout of defiance out and then got dismembered. Welp.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:39 pm

It was god awful writing on par with a sarcastic off-hand joke.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:39 pm

Can you explain why it is you think that? In my opinion good writing makes you think long after you've finished. So what is your definition?

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