I'm sorry for having an opinion guys, I didn't know it was such a crime. You might not agree with my opinion but I at least understand yours and give you the respect for it. I'm sorry if I overreacted but I wasn't saying you aren't welcome to having an opinion, but at least try to see it from both sides. If you want it in the game then fine by me, I just won't give my character the option to smoke, I just don't think it should be in the game in general because what is it really going to add anyway? If it really is going to be in the game again just for the 'cool factor' and nothing else then it is pointless. I guess I should stop worrying about such a trivial thing and just be happy the new game is coming out and that people can do what they want, I'm excited to play the game and I don't want to ruin that excitement over some stupid smoking malarkey. Sorry guys.

*cowers in preparation for mass hysteria and a huge [censored] storm over this post trying to say I'm sorry*

Never anything wrong in having an oppinion, but everyone has oppinions on things.

Some think that smoking will add some undefinable amount of immersion (or whatever positive). Others think smoking is irrelevant and doesn't add anything.

Both are equally valid subjective points of view, but the real question is... What does the majority think and how big is the majority?

If 90 percent (completely made up number here) doesn't care, there's really no reason to add it...

If 90 percent (completely made up number here) does care, there's a reason to add it...

Whatever makes the most people the most happy and minimized negative impact.

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You seem to be interpreting criticism of your opinion as a personal attack. Thats not how this works. We are criticising your opinion because it is poorly presented and sounds like the second coming of Jack Thompson. Criticism of your opinions is not a personal attack and it also does not mean you are not allowed to hold them. But next time you better use a better argument then "think of the children",especially in a forum of a advlt game.

Pretty much this. You don't want smoking in the game? That's fine. But if your arguments are weak (and, just so you know, they are weak), don't be surprised when people challenge them. Don't be surprised when people challenge your arguments when they are strong either. It's a forum, and people aren't going to always agree with you. And acting like you're being victimized for "having an opinion" isn't exactly going to win you many converts.

Personally, I want smoking in the game as a feature for my character. If my character can become a drug addict, an alcoholic, or a freakin' cannibal, it seems odd that tobacco is where we need to draw the line for the sake of moral guardians, to speak nothing of all the murdering we're free to do.

As for buffs/debuffs for smoking, things I'm thinking are:

+2 Charisma

-1 Agility

-1 Endurance

-40% weapons' wobble when aiming a weapon

These effects last the traditional length of chems/alcohol.

As for withdrawal penalties:

+25% weapons' wobble when aiming a weapon

-1 Agility

-2 Endurance

I forgive you and accept and affirm you as a person.

All this, but nobody says anything about Sneak?

-3 Sneak for smell.

Cigarette
+1 Per
+1 Cha
-1 Agi
-1 End
1/20 Chance to cause 10% ( Of max HP ) damage to player.
Wg. 0
Value. 0.5 Caps
"Effects last roughly 1 minute"
Withdrawal
-5 Cha
-5 Per
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Having smoked for 9 years and recently quitting, I can confirm through experience all of these stat buffs and reductions.

You're taking this far too personally.

You think you've been criticized? This is nothing. You wouldn't believe the amount of venom I've received over the past 13 years. I've gotten PMs from people telling me they want me to die. Over the years a few people here have insulted my intelligence, sixual orientation, ethnic heritage, the size of my genitals, my grandfather, the color of my socks and anything else they could think of. I'm sure many others who have been here for awhile have similar stories to tell. It comes with the territory.

I think you have been treated pretty fairly and actually pretty gently in this thread. It is my opinion that you are dramatically over-reacting. As others have said, you are going to have to get used to hearing opposing points of view when you post on a forum. Vigorous debate is what forums are for.

Sadly, I have a feeling that you are probably going to interpret this as another attack on you personally. It is not meant to be. I urge you to continue to post your opinions. But don't be surprised (or dismayed) when other people have different opinions.

For some reason, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4pXusde8s is what I think when people talk about smoking in games.

As for my opinion on the topic, if Bethesda doesn't add it in, a modder will. And I couldn't care less if they give you the ability to do so. Smoking is a choice, so let the people choose if they want to let their character smoke or not. It's that simple.

They should make cigarettes work like all the other chems. Maybe you get a temporary plus to things that would benefit from calmed nerves (like aiming and fixing things), but a longer term reduction in endurance.

But would we be able to blow smoke across sensor beams to see them?

This is the most passive-aggressive and insincere apology I've ever read.

As long as they're taxed huge in bottle caps!!!!