Yeah, but nobody cares what three really devoted fan neophytes think. To pick apart my argument you'd need one of your own. None of you seem to have an argument though.

Meanwhile barter was fine for role players. I've already proven this with over 100 characters. Probably 10 time more than any of you have.

yeah, pretty much *grabs popcorn*

LOL , they can't form any sort of argument and don't even know basic definitions of gaming words. Hilarious.

Acting, basically, in a game world that pertains to mechanics and requires balance in order to enrich the role-playing experience. It's not mutually exclusive.

You didn't prove anything. You just gave a lukewarm definition of role playing and deflected every argument that pointed out the flaws.

I understand now, though. Fully. You're roleplaying right now. Someone who chooses to ignore arguments and remain ignorant of other people's points, and just call them fan neophytes. You're role playing the pot calling the kettle black. It's brilliant really.

Welcome to my ignore list, bud.

You didn't know the definition until I posted it. You never had an argument. We done here?

Role play, just like every other defined word, doesn't mean whatever you want it to mean.

So for the fiftieth time, is every character of yours an OCD hoarding trader that cleans the land of all items? No, then why are you doing it? Stay in character.

Meanwhile for role players barter was fine.

Maybe for you, but not for everyone, because not everyone plays the same and not everyone likes to play pretend. And quite frankly, the vast majority of people that play RPGs these days don't literally role play to the letter. There is no ideal manner in how a RPG should be played.

However, RPGs should be well designed and should be able to acknowledge your player character, both in their strengths and weaknesses to create balance in the game. Offering choices and consequences to how your character is built. If the game is not properly designed to acknowledge that, then there is a lack of balance and that is poor design for a RPG. It makes it meaningless in how you build your character if there is no balance, and building a player character is an important aspect for a RPG. Sure, you can pretend it's not there by limiting yourself and pretending your character can and can't do this and that, but the fact remains that your character is still able to do all of those things regardless of how you delude yourself.

The player shouldn't have to do that and come up with excuses for it in the game by having to limit themselves in order to make the game challenging, the game should be complex and have enough depth to do it itself, whether the player is role playing or not.

With that, the same should be applied to how the game world works as well. It shouldn't be that easy to accumulate money, and pretending your character is this or that should not be as excuse for such.

I've truly never encountered an individual this ignorant before. It's harrowing. I'd rather not validate his bull [censored] anymore, though.

Only if Geoff is surrounded by mtn dew and doritos.

Er, for role players it is. You do everything with every character and every character becomes the same master of all trades. Those aren't characters, those are carbon copies.

Not to mention you don't even have to limit yourself, just role play and stay in character.

Hilarious how nobody seems to know the definition of the word, when it's in the fricking genre.

This. There's no other way around this. Having sharp business skills =/= being a charismatic person who can convince people to do things. There's overlap, sure, which is why they're both tied tot he charisma attribute, but they're not the same.

generally, common sense dictates if you are the ONLY person in an entire place to believe something and everyone is saying the opposite, that generally means what you saying is a VERY minority opinion or is simply not true........

You already lost the "argument" and all credibility. You didn't even know what role playing was. Since when is three really devoted fans (this word is censored?) everyone? We done here?

Don't bother dude. Just place him on ignore.

LOL, must have hurt their feelings schooling them on what role playing is. Sorry I couldn't do it on Youtube for you guys.

So yeah, role playing and staying in character and barter is fine.

how do you do that anyway? tried to do that before, but i cannot seem to find the option anywhere....I MIGHT be dumb right now...............

Go to the drop down menu in the top left corner and click on "ignored." You can search for his name and add him to the list, make sure you check all the boxes (posts/PMs).

"Everybody doesn't role play" is not and will never be any sort of argument, anymore than "I never used X or Y so we don't need it" will ever be any sort of argument.

Common sense 101.

thanks for that, probably should have been obvious, but i derped.

No worries.

Editing out your ad hom eh?

Now I know how awkward it is returning to a thread you made to find out that it blew up and there's an argument going on.

oh, let's just lock this. Now I have to review posts too. *sigh*