British Em-2 Rifle in Fallout 4DLC Weapon : Fallout 4

» Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:01 pm

Would anybody like to see this bullpup rifle make it to the official game/or as a dlc weapon? I think as in terms of space aged weapons, the EM-2 fits perfectly in the fallout world. It was designed around 1948-1950 (grants that fallout feel completely), it can be configured to fire .308 rounds (shares ammo with other weapons in the fallout world), it's a bull pup that has an optic (fits the future look), and overall is a cool weapon.

If any mods/admins that can get in touch with Bethesda and submit this idea, I think that would be awesome. Here is some info on the rifle itself (The following is copy pasted from Wikipedia).

The EM-2, Also known as Rifle No.9 Mk1 or "Janson rifle", was an experimental British assault rifle. It was briefly adopted by British forces in 1951, but the decision was overturned very shortly thereafter by Winston Churchill's incoming government in an effort to secure NATO standardisation of small arms and ammunition in the face of American intransigence. An innovative weapon with the compact bullpup layout and an optical sight, it used one of the early intermediate cartridges (a concept introduced by the Germans with the 7.92×33mm Kurz) as a result of combat experience and German advances in weapons design during World War II.

It used the experimental, intermediate powered, but highly efficient .280 British round, which was designed to replace the venerable .303 round and Lee–Enfield rifle variants which had served since before the turn of the 20th century. The United States claimed the .280 British round was too weak for use in rifles and machine guns, and instead favored the much more powerful 7.62×51mm NATO round. As the EM-2 could not be easily adapted to the longer and more powerful round, it faded from use. However, the bullpup layout for a British service rifle was finally adopted some years later in form of the SA80 assault rifle, the EM-2's spiritual successor, which remains in service today.

Here is a 'fallout' type black and white film demonstrating the rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtjVf724G7w

Video demonstrating the rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wdhN5_RpX4

And more angles on the rifle in a russian film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBmRuSdm6zs

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:28 am

I have not known about this gun, but I think, aesthetically speaking, it would look well in Fallout universe.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:53 am

Might be alright, but considering the US military in the Fallout Universe was moving away from real world guns, to energy weapons like laser rifles, I don't see how the EM-2 could work that way. However, if Beth made the EM-2 a wasteland invented gun, that might be cool.

» Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:02 pm

The more guns the better besides we've already sort of had an EM-2 (its spiritual successor, the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Light_support_weapon) so I see no reason not to have it.

» Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:31 pm

I think bulk pups in general are nice looking, especially the FAMAS series of assault rifles. Would love to see a bull pup in Fallout.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:32 am

With some modifications I think that would fit. I already said in another thread that I would love to see what weapons were being made in Germany, Italy, and England (in that order for importance)

Hell I'd love to even have their WWII and before weapons. Run around with an StG44 or a Carcano would be awesome.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:32 am

Actually judging from what we seen so far it feels like Beth is moving away from using RL gun models and moving towards more original gun models inspired by RL guns, which I personally like.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:52 am

Who's to say that the EM-2 lookalike wasn't a prior US Military design that was made outdated by the then-standard http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Assault_rifle_%28Fallout_3%29? Remember- all the man-portable laser weaponry we see were still in prototype stages when the War hit.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:32 am

Bah the EM-2 was a horrible gun. Many countries rejected this early British bullpup and went with the FN for a reason (the U.S. adopted the M-14). Even its successor the SA80 has real problems (like magazines falling out with a little bump).

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:45 am

I'd still prefer a EM-2 lookalike, be a wasteland created weapon in Fallout. Just because there's always been so many pre-war weapons that are still ticking after 200+ years, and it's like there's been a freeze on weapon designing from wasteland inhabitants, that create their own. Which is kind of crummy, since humans have always been thinking up new ways to make weapons.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:30 am

The hideous ropey look of the EM2 almost seems fitting. I've never been a fan of bullpup rifles though, I think they look silly.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:59 am

The EM-2 was an extremely good gun: the reason other countries went with the FAL (incidentally, it was originally designed for the .280 too) was a political decision to adopt the 7.62x51 as the standard NATO round, something that the EM-2 couldn't readily be redesigned for.

The SA80 has nothing in common with the EM-2 other than being a bullpup: it's a completely different design. The SA80 is essentially an AR18 whose design was compromised by the requirement that it was to be made as cheaply as possible. After two revisions it is actually a reasonably competent rifle, though more by luck than judgement. The EM-2 and Taden would have made an excellent weapons system, but were stymied by politics and were arguably before their time.

» Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:00 pm

i do like bullups like the aug and p50 as well as most others

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:52 am

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The EM-2 was a weapon ahead of it's time, which fell victim to political considerations, in this case the refusal of the US Army Ordnance establishment to contemplate a rifle cartridge significantly less powerful than .30-06...7.62 N was as low as they were willing to go. The .280 round had been around a long time, the British flited with a similar round before WW1, and the US almost adopted the .276 Pedersen in the '20s. Ironically, only a few years later the US turned around and crammed 5.56 N down everyone's throat.

As for the ~~SA80~~ "Civil Servant", it's garbage. The UK's SF community either uses HK or M-4 rifles for a reason.

Edit: While I doubt they'll use it in the vanilla game, I'm sure a modder could be persuaded to add it.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:36 am

Too ugly, would not use.

Yes, i am that shallow when it comes to weapons :hehe:

Give me a damn Dragunov and SPAS-12! :stare:

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:53 am

i would like those too lol

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:56 am

Well the political reasons had nothing to do with the EM-2 but with the ammo it was using (.280), still the first adopters of the FN and a new rifle were Canada. And us Canadians went for the upgraded Stg 44 that was found in the FN instead of the EM-2 because the EM-2 was a horrible rifle. Being ahead of its time does not make it a good weapon it just means that it was a good idea that could not be pulled off.

Edit: I don't know why my work computer wont let me quote.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:15 am

Well there is a http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/12224/?. Conversion anyone?

Personally I was always happy with a modded No4 Lee Enfield and a Sten gun. Whatever weapons they do have will never be enough.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:48 am

The gun was already in Fallout 2 (effectively), no reason not to have it again.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/XL70E3_(Fallout_2)

» Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:36 pm

Official weapon, sure why not or for free in a patch. No armor or weapons DLC's at all. Just sell expansion packs instead.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:05 am

Actually, that variant is a weird cross between an L85 and the EM2 itself. So technically, no you are wrong with that statement. The EM2 has more of that retro look to it compared to the XL70E3 from fallout 2 and fallout tactics. It could work as an completely new weapon system in fallout 4 (with the proposed mods that can go with it in game).

Here is the rifle you were referring to.

http://www.securityarms.com/photos/1274376181.jpg

http://www.nazarian.no/images/wep/468_enfield_xl70e3.jpg

And this is the one I wanted to see in fallout 4.

http://files.harrispublications.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2012/12/em2-para23_phatch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Enfield_bullpup_prototype.jpg