Power armor unarmedmelee combat power attack and kill move : Fallout 4

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:40 am

after testing some weapons i found out wearing power armor you cannot use unarmed weapon as your arms are equipped with power armor and mod them use in unarmed combat.

the problem is that the basic attack animations are underwhelming while power fist basic attack animations seems good.. also you cant use kill move or special attacks(power attack that sometime make you throw enemy or hit them with special animations) I find it will be really good if those can be enabled when you wear a power armor

since power fist is the closest thing to power armor unarmed combat, and it sounds and special attack kill moves should feel right with power armor, i hope someone can mod it so that power armor unarmed combat can feel more fluid and dynamic.

also testing melee weapons, they dont also perfrom their special attacks in pa mode.. i think they should enable that you can use special power attacks in pa because these specail power attacks lock in the target and make it 100 percent hit while normal power attack has a chance to miss becuase of the poor range and no lock in feature, and if you miss it because of the poor range and limited animations it costs you ap and lost of time for nothing

I think the special power attacks that let you lock on to the enemy is really cool and make close combat feels more dynamic and fluid. It is disappointing PA disables these kind of kill moves and special power attacks. but since the animations are already there and they provides more fun experience to close combat, i find that enabling PA to use these special power atacks and kill move will improve the experience.

I think when gamesas releases the mod tool it will be simple to do it... but is there any chance that the developers just make a qol change for it? I love unarmed combat and it feels.. a bit underwhelming when im in a power armor since the animations are same all the time... and i find that power fist animations and special power attacks and kill move is perfect to use for PA.. but it doesnt.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:06 pm

any thoughts about this?

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:53 am

I think close-combat and PA in FA4 has many lacking things:

Inability to use Power Fist with Power Armor is absolute fail and almost feels like a BUG. On Survival this pretty much means unarmed is worthless. C'mon Todd.
You CAN use Power Armor's fists (equip no weapon) and upgrade them to do energy damage, but on higher difficulties the damage on those PA punches is bad, and your PA Arms will die fast and you end up with no weapon.
Melee attack speeds are VERY sluggish in general. This means you can often get stagger locked quite a bit against multiple enemies.
Many mobs simply can't even be approached as melee/unarmed (Mutant Suicide Bombers).
The timed cooldown block is fail vs. 2+ melee enemies.

It's completely doable, just the least fun and smooth of any BGS game I've played.

I'd love a mod that makes Unarmed Weapons usable in PA, increase attack speed by 20% across the board on all melee weapons, and block pretty much last forever but drains AP.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:03 am

yeah the upgrades and the damage needs a bit more buff to make it viable.

anyway i heard special animations happen when you do a critical hit, and it can happen in power armor gonna test it more... but I can see those special critical hit animations when im not wearing PA, but havent seen even a one special animations yet, maybe a bug or i was just super unlucky??? I will have to do a bit of experiment.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:15 pm

can anyone confirm they have seen speical attack animations of unarmed or melee combat while wearing PA?

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:23 pm

A baseball bat is much more gettho than some fists a la Bruce Lee.

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:59 pm

after testing a bit, it seems no special animations for PA except for the home run perk, its disappointing, im sure a mod will fix this but i find the special attack animations and kill moves disabled in PA a bit confusing. It helps you lock on the enemy target and bring more variety to your close combat... hmm

anyway i hope you can at least use power fist with power armor and use the animations and kill moves from power fist while in power armor. power fist feels really satisfying compared to other unarmed weapon as it really feels like you are punching the enemies to death while PA unarmed feels really clunky.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:36 am

So after some extensive testing I found out that only the sword kill move can be used in power armor, and you cant throw or do any other power attack special animations which happen time to time when you do not wear a power armor, since except for the home run perk effect, the only special move is a sword one and only one kill move and not using any other moves, im inclined to think there is a bug that prevent

character performing these special power attack animations or kill move and special bash animations on power armor... only sword seems to have ONE animation work and it seems that it is a bug and i hope bethesda work on it.. because close combat feels far better with these animations and bash special animations are also good to watch when you use close range guns.. and if it is a bug it should be easy to fix as I think its just some codes that do not make power armor to use these animations.. and somehow only one sword animation can be used.

Also using power fist when you wear a power armor should be really considered. I love the animation and sound of power fist and it feels that you should be able to put power fist while on a power armor, but you cant..

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:36 am

You can't use a power fist and power armor at the same time? Why the heck not? That was never a problem in previous games.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:42 am

They treat the arms of your power armor as your unarmed weapon as you can mod it to increase damage and add energy damage. the problem is the animations are really meh, and i think the damage is low? compared to heated power fist and large death claw gauntlet.... yeah its weird. i felt that unarmed combat should be paired with power armor using pain train perk and going in..

but there isnt much option and there is no kill move and special attacks in power armor... might be a bug though since only the sword animation works in power armor

» Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:21 pm

That's just poor balancing then. They should've thought this through more.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:53 am

Skyrim's melee was definitely more satisfying, partly of course because of the medieval setting, though your character here is capable of some rather acrobatic fight scenes.

I'd be satisfied with more killcams. I think they have all been relegated to VATS

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:48 am

Sorry nothing beats tripping, shoving and kicking enemies.

If you wanna do killcams outside of VATS, tap the power attack button.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:00 am

Power Attack outside of Vats just gets me rekt on Survival. Slowest animation on the face of the earth.

Some modder has to srsly just increase every single swing in the game by 30% (for the Player).

Also switching to 3rd person view while in PA makes sledge/super-sledge swing like 50% faster and be held in 1 hand, rofl. (And actually feels good).

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:54 am

Fist brawls feels faster and more useful than in Skyrim at least though I agree both could use some speed.

Still, the tripping does come in handy as beating a guy on the ground is much easier.

» Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:09 am

so anyone think that power armor having only one specail attack animation with sword is a bug? even the bash special animations are disabled in power armor, but i feel like since there is one sworld animation that works it should be easy to enable the use of special animation attacks in power armor.

My suspicion is that it is a bug, since it doesnt make sense to have just one working animation with swords while there are more weapon types and special animations.