I have questions about the Lore.

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:42 am

Why isnt there a single clue of who dropped the nukes? Was it China, since we were at war with them?

What was the point of the Vault expiriements? I felt that the vault expiriements threw the Fallout franchise into uncanny valley and just a lame idea to incorporate a conspiracy that our governent is watching us. I mean some of the expiriements were kinda pointless.

When the Master was building his supermutant army, where was the Enclave? How a does a huge governent army, who spies on us, not see a supermutant army gathering?

How does Harold end up in Fallout 3, a car walking? I always thought the tree growing on his head was a joke, but noooooooo........Betheseda decides it was the real deal.

A nuclear catapult and cars that are nuclear powered..................................."WHY?

Why did the Vault Dweller of Fallout 1 decide to abandon the Vault and seek to build a tribal community? Why? THAT IS SO LAME? If i were the writer i would have sent him back to that crash landed spaceship,(where you get the alien blaster), so at least they could be a kickass tribal with advanced technology............. or something. damn.


Ill thing of more pathetic questions later.
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 9:02 pm

Have u ever went to the fallout wiki, most of your questions are very well answered there
Here have a link:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki

Now if u want to debate those questions:

Does it matter who droped the nukes in 1st place? the world "ended" in 2 hours, when fire is raining from the sky u dont care to think about why and who, just about where to run. But everything points for a chinese attack( even though the megaton bomb is equal the bombs u find in fort constantine, maybe a crashed plaine, miss caulculations who knows...).

The vault experiments were not Big brother, they didnt had cameras watching ppl, and the enclave could care less for the way they were living they just wanted the rusults of the experiments, like the one from vault 106 with the psicothic drugs released in the air system or the Necropolis vault that never closed and flood the vault with radiation creating the ghouls from fallout 1.

About harold if im not wrong in the end of fallout 2, there was something about the tree in his head growing and giving fruits or something like that, long time i played fallout 2( it was my 200th time and i cant remember) :fallout:

the cars that explode and the fat man were not nice in my opinion but i never use the fat man, its not as fun as melt ppl into a pile of goo.

The vault dweller from fallout never abandoned anything he was kicked off, exiled becasue he was a hero. He changed too much in the time he spent in the wastes and the overseer thought that it wouldn't be nice for the vault, like the overseer says in the end: Ppl will make u too many questions... The ppl could think about leaving the vault and [censored] up the experiment( i believe all the overseers knew about the experiments). So the vault dweller left with nothing but his bare hands, i think it was a lot for him to creat a tribal vilage.

This are the answers i can give u, not much because its been a while i dont read about the fallout lore, or play the games and becasue fallout 3 is too addicting

PS: The enclave could care less about supermutants and what happens in the wasteland they just want to exterminate everyone that is not pure as em. ALso they were in the middle of the PAcific in the oil plataform, dont think they would bother to go fight super mutants.

Sorry for my bad english
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 10:50 pm

And another thing.

Why didnt the Master, or Richard Grey, know about the reproduction cycle of the mutants? Isnt this the most vital part in maintaining a army? Then Vree gives you some holodisk showing that they could never reproduce and then the Lieutenant tells you that the situation is being attended to. So.............whos right. Doesnt the Master keep in touch with his other mutant counterparts at the VATS. Instead..........i convince him to blow himself up. WOW. Kinda fast decision making on his part without researching the matter fully. Just hand him a holodisk and its over....kinda ridiculous if you ask me.

What kind of fcuking results of the expiriements were the damn Enclave looking for?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:24 am

1. They never said who dropped the nukes first because that wasn't the point. It doesn't really matter who fired first.

2. The point of the Vault experiments were to conduct very extreme tests on human survivability, with a few vaults set aside as controls or for keeping people completely isolated from the wasteland so as to make "pure stock" for restarting America.

3.The Enclave weren't really a "huge government army". They were just the Remnants of the old Government and the Army tucked away in a few isolated places, such as Raven Rock and the Oil Rig. Since they viewed all the people of the wastelands as mutants anyway, they didn't really care what happened to them.

4. Harold just walked that far, as a ghoul he has a very long life span so it's not hard to imagine that he could just walk that far before the tree finally grew enough to trap him.

5. There are real instances of small catapults designed to be carried by people capable of launching small scale nuclear missiles, the cars have been powered by Nuclear power plants since Fallout 1.

6.He was exiled from the Vault, not knowing what to do with himself anymore he wandered the hills around the vault before finally meeting up with other people had left the vault because they felt bad about what happened to him. Eventually he lead them all far away and joined up with others until he found a small area to set up a village. With no large towns around or technology it devolved into a tribal society.

7. Grey didn't need the mutants to be able to reproduce in order to make more of them, he just needed more people to dip into the vats. Seeing as how he was not a scientist and never tried to breed them the old fashioned way, there was no reason for him to know. When the Lieutenant said they are attending to it, he more than likely means they will just dip more people to make more. By showing The Master the Disk, you show him that the great society of Super Mutants he is trying to create is doomed to failure.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:31 am

What kind of fcuking results of the expiriements were the damn Enclave looking for?


You must understand that at some point the Enclave were thinking about abandon EARTH and go search for another adequate planet to live, so the NEED to now how ppl would react to MANY diferent, some even improbable, situations in a longterm lockdown inside a limited space with limited resources.. So the VAULT made the best thing they could wish for, o and the vaults were just turned in "social experiments" some few months BEFORE the war, they were actualy been build TO SAVE PEOPLE, until the enclave realize the "common people" can be sacrificed to make some experiments so in the future "important people(THEY)" could be saved.

After that for some reason thyr plan to left earth were ruined so they preaty much got the idea of start the USA from the scratch so they started to plot the dead of ANYTHING that suffer ANYKIND of mutation due to FEV or Radiation (preaty much EVERYONE out there except them and survivors of half a dozen still locked, and preaty sucessfull, VAULTs) so WY would they botter leaving ther secret bases (the OIL RIG was just theyr MAIN BASE at that time, hey make reference to the fact that there are other bases arround US) to fight a mutant army if in the end a virus would preaty much wipe clean all life from the wastes in a much efficient way, "without" the cost of human ressources (theyrs ar least).
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Post » Thu May 26, 2011 9:01 pm

1 & 2: I don't remember where, but it was implied in one of the games that the Enclave was responsible for triggering the nuclear war as a way to wipe out communism once and for all. They planned to the turn the world into a blank slate from which they could rebuild it however they wanted. The vault experiments were a part of that - they were testing human adaptability so they'd have a better idea of how to go about recolonizing the planet after the rad levels dropped enough for them to do so. In the event that earth was a lost cause they had a back up plan to attempt travel to other planets and colonize those instead.

3: Seeing as the Enclave planned to exterminate everything on the mainland eventually anyway, I doubt they cared much about stopping the super mutant threat. They were safe on their oil rig and whatever other secret bunkers they had hidden away.

4: As others have said, he probably just walked. He's either a ghoul or an FEV mutant (it's said in FO1 that he woke up 'changed' after escaping the Mariposa base where the FEV was being stored, but he looks more like a ghoul obviously) so he'd be well within his lifespan to have walked from side of the country to the other.

5: It's not so far fetched. We already have small nuclear reactors being built, with the Fallout universe's reliance on nuclear technology it's not a stretch to think they'd have developed reactors for their vehicles. And the military did do tests with a hand-held mortar that shot small tac-nukes - mainly in the time before they understood the long term consequences and dangers of atomic weapons and radiation.

6: He got booted out. I don't think he founded a village of tribals, they just devolved into that over time because they didn't have any access to technology. And who knows, maybe he'd gotten sick of modern man after being stabbed in the back by his own Vault and didn't object to the tribal way of life.

7: Kay.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:59 am

You must understand that at some point the Enclave were thinking about abandon EARTH and go search for another adequate planet to live, so the NEED to now how ppl would react to MANY diferent, some even improbable, situations in a longterm lockdown inside a limited space with limited resources.. So the VAULT made the best thing they could wish for, o and the vaults were just turned in "social experiments" some few months BEFORE the war, they were actualy been build TO SAVE PEOPLE, until the enclave realize the "common people" can be sacrificed to make some experiments so in the future "important people(THEY)" could be saved.

After that for some reason thyr plan to left earth were ruined so they preaty much got the idea of start the USA from the scratch so they started to plot the dead of ANYTHING that suffer ANYKIND of mutation due to FEV or Radiation (preaty much EVERYONE out there except them and survivors of half a dozen still locked, and preaty sucessfull, VAULTs) so WY would they botter leaving ther secret bases (the OIL RIG was just theyr MAIN BASE at that time, hey make reference to the fact that there are other bases arround US) to fight a mutant army if in the end a virus would preaty much wipe clean all life from the wastes in a much efficient way, "without" the cost of human ressources (theyrs ar least).

Sounds like the Enclave screwed up big time. Or the writers for Fallout 2 screwed up BIG TIME! It all really sounds like a bad science fiction book.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:17 am

Why isnt there a single clue of who dropped the nukes? Was it China, since we were at war with them?


We don't know who dropped his nukes first, but when they did, they triggered a chain reaction in which every country in the world that had nukes fired theirs.

What was the point of the Vault expiriements? I felt that the vault expiriements threw the Fallout franchise into uncanny valley and just a lame idea to incorporate a conspiracy that our governent is watching us. I mean some of the expiriements were kinda pointless.


The Enclave planned to leave Earth and colonize another planet and thought that the experiments would be useful for that:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Enclave#The_Enclave.27s_plan

When the Master was building his supermutant army, where was the Enclave? How a does a huge governent army, who spies on us, not see a supermutant army gathering?


By that time, the Enclave still didn't leave the Oil Rig.

How does Harold end up in Fallout 3, a car walking? I always thought the tree growing on his head was a joke, but noooooooo........Betheseda decides it was the real deal.


Well, it's not a question of how (he walked), but it's more of a question of why? At least him traveling to the Nursery in Van Buren (Black Isle's original, canceled Fallout 3) was explained, justified and tied to the main plot.

A nuclear catapult and cars that are nuclear powered..................................."WHY?


5: It's not so far fetched. We already have small nuclear reactors being built, with the Fallout universe's reliance on nuclear technology it's not a stretch to think they'd have developed reactors for their vehicles. And the military did do tests with a hand-held mortar that shot small tac-nukes - mainly in the time before they understood the long term consequences and dangers of atomic weapons and radiation.


It's not it being portable that is ridiculous (I know about the Davy Crockett). It's about the Fat Man being ridiculously short-ranged.

The vault experiments were not Big brother, they didnt had cameras watching ppl,


Actually, they did. From Fallout 3 vault demonstration in the Museum of Technology:

Concerns about security? Our Eye-On-You Cameras enable the Vault's leader to watch your every move. You'll never be alone again!

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:40 am

Also with the Master... I dont think he knew that the Mutants were sterrile... I dont think it occured to him to check. After all, thats the "speech" option to end FO1, convince him his plain will fail because of the sterility (you need Vree's disk to prove it to him).
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:04 am

Man the Fallout timeline was so totally fcuked by the end of Fallout 2. Couldnt they think of something more original??
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