Patch versus pre order DLC

Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:22 pm

I am looking to short fix my game play by trying to clear cache and proceed without patch. The only notice I receive is to proceed with/without DLC. Is this JUST for the DLC (weathered 10mm, vault jumpsuit, canteen) or is the patch part of this update? I get mixed messages as I woyld ideally like to proceed WITH the DLC items and avoid the patch.
Any suggestions?
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:07 am

I am looking to short fix my game play by trying to clear cache and proceed without patch. The only notice I receive is to proceed with/without DLC. Is this JUST for the DLC (weathered 10mm, vault jumpsuit, canteen) or is the patch part of this update? I get mixed messages as I woyld ideally like to proceed WITH the DLC items and avoid the patch.
Any suggestions?

No, you have the wrong thinking. the DLC causes the major game breaker in FNV. Do not install the DLC, but install the patch...I repeat forget about the DLC, obsidian never integrated the initial DLC functionality into the game...You need the patch, you do NOT need the DLC...
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:58 am

No, you have the wrong thinking. the DLC causes the major game breaker in FNV. Do not install the DLC, but install the patch...I repeat forget about the DLC, obsidian never integrated the initial DLC functionality into the game...You need the patch, you do NOT need the DLC...



also without any DLC the game have the save corruption bug in.... it is not related to DLC at all that bug and all other bugs
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:53 am

So wait...everyone who pre-ordered and installed their bonus (caravan pack, classic, etc.) will 100% of the time get corrupted save files roughly 20+ hours into the game?

I've got 20+, have the DLC installed and have no problems.
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:14 pm

also without any DLC the game have the save corruption bug in.... it is not related to DLC at all that bug and all other bugs


I have not installed the DLC i got from GameStop and i have not had the DLC missing problem. Some people say it is quest related...Come fly with me...whatever i have completed that, picked up the space suit, equipped it and all and never got this save file error message....I strongly believe it is DLC related, which in fact is hinted by the error that pops up.
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:36 pm

So wait...everyone who pre-ordered and installed their bonus (caravan pack, classic, etc.) will 100% of the time get corrupted save files roughly 20+ hours into the game?

I've got 20+, have the DLC installed and have no problems.

I dont know that. Actually nobody knows that. The thesis is that if you have the DLC installed something somewhere goes wrong and you get the DLC error. What about if you have installed the DLC and then clear you cache and restart the XBOX? Anybody brave enough to test this theory? I did not installed the DLC and never got that save game-breaking bug...My advise to those who are in doubts? forget about the DLC!
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:40 am

People get the DLC bug without even having the DLC installed. Uninstalling the DLC will not help you if you already have had the bug, nor will it prevent you from getting the glitch at all.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:04 am

People get the DLC bug without even having the DLC installed. Uninstalling the DLC will not help you if you already have had the bug, nor will it prevent you from getting the glitch at all.

Uninstalling the DLC would not help you continue your trashed save file? or uninstalling the DLC would make it irrelevant whether you start a new game and the possibility of encountering that problem? I think players just delete the DLC, and try to continue their old save files and when they see the errors again they say "it is still not working.."
This is not the PC version...Uninstall your DLC and clear your caches (which so happens to be the only temporary memory allocated space that your XBOX works with) and start over with new saves. then we can only say if it works or not...
Another theory: if the save bug (which says something like "DLC content could not be found...Whatever) is NOT related to the DLC then how come the programmed error message, gives us and the developers the hint that it IS in fact DLC related? It is not logical...It is like ok Come fly with me quest is bugged and if you pick up the space suit then the error message on stack dump is "DLC Content could not be found...." it is not logical guys..
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:07 am

I'm 30 hours into the game without dlc and I have the dlc error.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:27 am

I dont know that. Actually nobody knows that. The thesis is that if you have the DLC installed something somewhere goes wrong and you get the DLC error. What about if you have installed the DLC and then clear you cache and restart the XBOX? Anybody brave enough to test this theory? I did not installed the DLC and never got that save game-breaking bug...My advise to those who are in doubts? forget about the DLC!


I hear you.

I just seems incredibly short-sighted and shady on the developers part for us to support them BEFORE THE PRODUCT EVEN SHIPS and then get the most and worst glitches.

Pre-order people should get a working game AND bonuses...not a buggy game that they (and only they) can not complete.
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:42 pm

I dont know that. Actually nobody knows that. The thesis is that if you have the DLC installed something somewhere goes wrong and you get the DLC error. What about if you have installed the DLC and then clear you cache and restart the XBOX? Anybody brave enough to test this theory? I did not installed the DLC and never got that save game-breaking bug...My advise to those who are in doubts? forget about the DLC!



I will restate my situation just so everyone will know my personal predicament.

Xbox360 250g (less than a year old)
I have the DLC preorder
I have 68 hours game play
Ive performed cache clear And other suggested fixes
I have not had any error messages/corrupted file saves
I have had a number of tolerable bugs
Playing on hardcoe
I've followed most quests (though I intentionally avoided the direct mr house quests to stall my end game track)
I started having game freeze/lock (every time now) after I started oh my papa (still had them when backed up bfore this quest track) as soon as I enter any combat even without opening VATS

I havent returned several hours previous GPT saves as I assume this problem will re emerge once I track back to my current place in the game.
What really svcks is that I would prefer keeping the DLC because the canteen is SUCH a great item for constant rehydration (I'm aware of water sources)
I haven't cared much for the weathered 10mm so I haven't attempted to mod
I've tried fast traveling to other locations but lock up continues to occurs whenever there is combat

I'm reluctant to do much else as I have had to hard-off my xbox over a dozen times and I would prefer to avoid spanking it additionally.

To reiterate my theory:
I think there is something greatly wrong somewhere in this game that is not specific to any one situation.
As others have noted, each player seems to be encountering consistent problems regarding corrupted game saves (my room mate had one freeze during auto save and resulted in corrupted save, but I think that was random and he has had no significant issues since (other than faction inconstancies and other forum topic idiosyncrasies) and he is using my xbox with his own account.

I typically forget some item of condition that might affect a diagnosis but I think that covers most of my problems. I have an embarrassing number of threads on this forum and many of my other less significant issues have been detailed in those postings.

I appreciate everyones collaborated feedback.
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:53 pm

Uninstalling the DLC would not help you continue your trashed save file? or uninstalling the DLC would make it irrelevant whether you start a new game and the possibility of encountering that problem? I think players just delete the DLC, and try to continue their old save files and when they see the errors again they say "it is still not working.."
This is not the PC version...Uninstall your DLC and clear your caches (which so happens to be the only temporary memory allocated space that your XBOX works with) and start over with new saves. then we can only say if it works or not...
Another theory: if the save bug (which says something like "DLC content could not be found...Whatever) is NOT related to the DLC then how come the programmed error message, gives us and the developers the hint that it IS in fact DLC related? It is not logical...It is like ok Come fly with me quest is bugged and if you pick up the space suit then the error message on stack dump is "DLC Content could not be found...." it is not logical guys..


Uninstalling the DLC will neither help you return to your previous saves that have the glitch, nor will it prevent you from getting it as I said before. Many people who do not have any of the DLC still get the error for the 360. It is actually entirely possible that it is not DLC related as 1) People without the DLC still get the message, and 2) Even if you tell the game to load without the DLC, it still will not load, and even tells you it cannot locate your HD. If it was simply a DLC corruption, it would just load the game without your items since items are the only DLC. The error message even says that it requires DLC to play the game, which doesn't make any sense, because why would you need DLC to play the game unless you were in a DLC zone such as Point Lookout from FO3? I'm under the impression that this bug is almost entirely separate from the DLC in that either installing it or not doesn't affect your chance of this happening to you.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:36 am

No, you have the wrong thinking. the DLC causes the major game breaker in FNV. Do not install the DLC, but install the patch...I repeat forget about the DLC, obsidian never integrated the initial DLC functionality into the game...You need the patch, you do NOT need the DLC...

Congratulations on ignoring everybody on the forum who has had the save game bug WITHOUT having the DLC installed.
I completed the game on hardcoe with both the Classic Pack and Tribal Pack DLCs installed. No major glitches but I had a ton of saves just in case (60-80 at any one time).

Until the cause for the bug is known, try to not spread FUD.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:11 am

Congratulations on ignoring everybody on the forum who has had the save game bug WITHOUT having the DLC installed.
I completed the game on hardcoe with both the Classic Pack and Tribal Pack DLCs installed. No major glitches but I had a ton of saves just in case (60-80 at any one time).

Until the cause for the bug is known, try to not spread FUD.


I am not ignoring anything. I myself have not encountered any save bugs and i never installed any DLC i got as a bonus...Now you tell me how come an Error Message mentioning that "a DLC is needed or could not be located or whatever it says" shows up if the problem is NOT DLC related?
Obsidian's games are glitchy but to encounter such confusing exception handling is plain stupid...and i dont think the devs are that amateur-ish...
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:39 am

I am not ignoring anything. I myself have not encountered any save bugs and i never installed any DLC i got as a bonus...Now you tell me how come an Error Message mentioning that "a DLC is needed or could not be located or whatever it says" shows up if the problem is NOT DLC related?
Obsidian's games are glitchy but to encounter such confusing exception handling is plain stupid...and i dont think the devs are that amateur-ish...


If problem x occurs whether condition y is present or not, then condition y is irrelavent at that particular point.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:55 am

If problem x occurs whether condition y is present or not, then condition y is irrelavent at that particular point.

You just stated the obvious. This is the problem we are having here. In an ideal world problem X would never occur. Otherwise, the devs job is to pinpoint under what condition (y or Q), what might occur. NOT under all these very many conditions, System.err.print("DLC Could Not Be Found)); This the problem, because many conditions cause the problem, but we do not know which one exactly does it, because the devs failed to handle it better.
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Post » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:01 am

I dont even have the DLC but still got the [censored] bug.
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:55 pm

You just stated the obvious. This is the problem we are having here. In an ideal world problem X would never occur. Otherwise, the devs job is to pinpoint under what condition (y or Q), what might occur. NOT under all these very many conditions, System.err.print("DLC Could Not Be Found)); This the problem, because many conditions cause the problem, but we do not know which one exactly does it, because the devs failed to handle it better.


Fallout engine works with a module system.

Every DLC is a module also the main game is a module.

If a object or some thing in the save game is not referenced in the modules that the save gama have listed inside it then the save game is invalid.

Probably the corrupted savegames have NO REFERENCE AT ALL to any module, also the main module non referenced so EVERY object in the save game are invalid.....


I'm not sure that this is the real bug but probably it is something similar to my supposition
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Post » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:15 pm

It has so little to do with preorder DLC being installed. A lot of people who haven't installed DLC are getting this error message. Just stop while you're ahead. :banghead:
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