Hello Bathesda, i want to complain about the no warning of the 20gb download of the physical versión of fallout 4, you only advice about "you need internet to actívate the game". Thanks.

Best regards.

Jesús.

It is par for the course for PC games purchased today. The same went for me for all the PC games I have bought in recent history.

Huh, I'd only heard about it with a handful of games (Metal Gear, Fallout..... maybe one other?)

Any game I pre-order or purchase it requires a fairly large download. Hell even FONV was for me, and the Witcher 3 was as well.

This is an 'issue' over standard media and download speed across the PC market, though how that is Bethesda's fault I'm unclear.

Metal Gear didn't even put the 5GB on disk that was possible.

Unless there are larger media standards or universally improved download speeds, this is the new normal for PC.

I'd say expect it to happen a lot from now on. The PC gaming industry is only leaning heavier and heavier on the digital side of things. No one made a move to BluRay so they only had a couple options. The multi DVD option costs them more money so they didn't. How big is GTAV? Cuz at 28gb that's a bunch of DVDs

Game studios nowadays consider physical disc only a secondary market, and will continue to try to cut cost on discs until they stop making physical discs altogether.

There's a difference between the "Day 1 patch", and not including the game on the disc in the first place. Metal Gear didn't have the game on the disc at all, it was just an installer stub. FO4 only has like 4-5GB of the ~25GB game on the disc. Witcher 3 came on 4 discs, clearly it was the full game.

this is an extremely dubious practice, such as the policy of needing an internet connection and a steam account itself as well.

we buy a right to use a software that's not limited in time.

today, i can connect my old c=64 from childhood days and give it a couple rounds of spindizzy or ghosts'n'goblins anytime.

i REALLY want to see how i hook up my old pc in 30 years and log in to my steam (that'll probably not even exist as is anymore) account over the internet (that'll probably not even exist as is anymore) and that'll all work properly!!!!! and if not, what then? can i demand a physical copy from the game company (that'll prbably not even exist as is anymore)? or am i entitled to use a pirated version then? or what?

I pre-purchased Witcher 3 on Steam, so it was all a download for me, but like I said FONV was the same way.Maybe it's just me but I expect to DL most any game I purchase now

If you haven't noticed, that's much of the entertainment industry as a whole and has been for years. The same could be said of movies downloaded via digital content providers. The market made this happen from the aspect of availability. Not having to hunt for a movie I can't find and just being able to download it is simple, but as you said where does that go years from now? I can't very well take it with me as easily as I could a DVD. We voted this in by using these services. If they weren't wanted, they wouldn't be taking the market

Its a tactic they'll likely feel the result of with the next ES game.

Think I read somewhere, that Steam is obligated, as much as they are able to, to offer digital full downloads of the games or at least make the games available to play off-line without steam in case you have full game on disc. As for multiplayer games, it is up to the game makers themselves, in that situation, if they wanna make servers available or not.

I was also really disappointed that I didn't get the full game, when I pre-ordered a physical copy. Otherwise, I don't see much point in offering a physical copy in the first place. I don't have low internet speed, but I wanted it for my collection. It really feels like screwing collectors.

So please Beth, could you make the Ultimate edition full games when you release them?

No, you do not buy the right to anything at all. The right is owned by the creator as it always has been. What you buy is basically similar to a "rental". You pay for extremely limited ability to use A LEGITIMATE COPY OF the entertainment media you pay for, and that is all. The ability to use it, all of the details thereof, is stated by the creator who owns the rights to it.

Valve has already stated that you will own the copies of any game from Steam if they ever stop service.

If it really bothers anyone, I'd suggest finding a different hobby. It is not only entertainment software, or even software at all, but rather all forms of media as well as all forms of hardware used to experience such media. Will PDF or ePub readers exist in the future in a form that is compatible with today's media? Who knows... and who cares, since knowledgeable people already understand this as a standard throughout history. See 78 RPM records, 45 RPMs, 33 1/3 RPMs, 8 track tapes... heck, really even cassette tapes (when was the last time you saw a cassette tape deck available in retail?). You see, physical media has the same exact limitations as digital media as far as reuse is concerned. The OSes that various hardware relies on for playback of audio/visual media of all types is also being offered digital only. Without an OS, hardware is just an expensive paperweight, but you don't see anyone worrying about that. Same with productivity software of various kinds (i.e., the various media formats are meaningless without some type of productivity software to open the files).

I can play any steam game in my library offline if I choose to.

Except that kind of shady business doesn't fly in the EU. It is already been established by the EU court for consumer rights. If I choose to sell a game key I don't have a physical copy of, I can do that.

That's odd, I was able to install FO:NV off my disc. Hmm.

(I know that sometimes/rarely Steam has bugged out for people, and triggered a full download when you try a disc install. At least, I remember some people complaining about that with Skyrim.)