From the ending of Arena:

"From thy hand shall be dealt the needs of the empire...Arise, my champion, and take thy rightful place at my side."

Fast forward to Daggerfall...who's that at Septim's side? Right there on his left, looking like he ain't about to be trifled with. A position the emperor would have to have iron-clad, unswerving faith in the person he chose to fill it with, considering what happened with the last Imperial Battlemage.

Fast forward a bit further to Oblivion, and...why, that's the same guy holding what are arguably two of the most powerful positions in the empire, seeing to the needs of the empire on a daily basis!

You know who it is. High Chancellor Ocato, but his real homies call him the Eternal Champion.

I really have nothing further to back up my claim here.

The eternal champion was apparently the only protag to have a canon name, Talin not Ocato.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Talin

That references 3 potential characters (including the PC) the name could have been applied to. It's no more set in stone than my theory. If you look at the Notes section on this page: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Warhaftit says the opening sequence identifies Talin as Warhaft. Could be an error, could be a first name.

So three people can't have the same name? I knew way more then three people with the same name as me.

Sure they can. But having played through the ES games, it would seem Talin isn't a common name. In fact, I can't recall a single other instance of it. Now if you take that and couple it with the chances of having two uncommonly named people involved in the same momentous, history-making event...unlikely. Also, it doesn't say that all 3 have that name, or that ony one of them have that name. It just says it MAY refer to one those people.

Just because a name doesn't return in a future game doesn't mean it's not common or that it's a unique name. Morrowind had a ton of names that were never re-used in future games.

When you travel the world and talk to pretty much everyone in it and don't find someone of a particular name (not that I was looking), there's a good chance that name is not common. Since there does appear to be canon (the opening sequence of the game) pointing to Talin being General Warhaft, I find it unlikely that the PC would be named thus as well considering how uncommon it appears to be (at least in the areas of Tamriel I've explored so far).

Booklet also says the Eternal Champion's name is Talin. Talin being common or not is irrelevant and it doesn't matter what you find unlikely, we have a source saying who is who and clearly goes against your theory.

Just because I go to another place or country and I don't find a person with my name doesn't mean my name is special or unique. Coincidences happen, the Eternal Champion isn't Ocato.

TBH, something tells me someone goofed up somewhere. I don't really buy that the EC's name is meant to be Talin, especially since it isn't brought up outside the manual at all. And honestly, how often in media does more than one character have the same name? (Unless it was meant to be a Talin Jr. thing)

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OT, yeah, that's just Ocato. On the other hand we have another theory that's right up there with Jauffre being the Eternal Champion.

Eh, I still think the theory is straw grasping at best. A lot of positions can be deemed as the right hand of the Emperor. Body guard, head of the Blades, commander of the Legion or just a position in royalty of a kingdom or nation.

Parents name their kids after their name all the time, hell my brother shares the same name as my dad, I've known many people named after their parents or grand-parents again it happens A LOT. It not being a common thing for protags literally means nothing.

True, but would Septim's bodyguard, or the head of the Blades or the commander of the legions or someone in a position of nobility be told that 'from thy hands will be dealt the needs of the empire'? Granted, right hand man could be any of those people and more, but that line from the game would imply that this person was to be given a position of great responsibility, and a chancellor of the Elder Council would certainly fit that bill. Certainly no one would fit it better than the High Chancellor, overseeing everyone else on the council. The EC held a minor position in Septim's court, and according to Ocato's Wiki, he sat on the council prior to being named Battlemage (3E 399, immediately after the Simulacrum was resolved) and later Chancellor (3E 427) and finally High Chancellor. Unfortunately I don't know of any source that might tell us how major or minor a seat on the council (short of the High Chancellor's seat) would be considered, but if you factor in that the EC was born in 3E 370, that would make him 29 at the time of Arena. Typically when I think of governing councils, I think of older statesmen. Anyone that young would likely be considered a minor councilman of little import (this is of course entirely conjecture). That would also make him 35 at the time of Daggerfall. While I can't claim to know what an Altmer mage really looks like at 35, the guy in the video definitely passes (conjecture and likely unintentional by the game's makers). There are too many inconsistencies in the application of the name Talin to reasonably be able to apply it to anyone in the game with any certainty. The manual says one thing, the game itself says another, and the Wiki says it could possibly be the EC's father as well.

There is literally one inconsistency and we've solved that by the simple fact that yes, sometimes people have the same names.

No, that name could potentially belong to one or all of 3 different people. It's an inconsistency that can't be resolved outside or inside official canon. It's every bit as likely that the name, regardless of who it belongs to, was added as an afterthought. It's also just as likely that the EC is neither Talin nor Ocato, but at least my theory isn't bogged down by conflicting evidence.

It's about as much of an inconsistency as saying three people are connected because they happened to be born on the same day. Saying it's an inconsistency is straw grasping at best.

It's an inconsistency because the name seems like it was put there intentionally to represent SOMEONE. Since your example above lacks any degree of coherency, here's how you make an inconsistency.

Tom, dike and Harry are all working on a cool new video game. Their boss comes in one day.

"Tom, dike and Harry, take this name Talin. You're all responsible for getting it into the game. We're shipping tomorrow morning so get it done and forward your work to me, I'll make sure it's all compiled into the final product."

Tom, dike and Harry all scurry off to their cubicles. Tom puts an odd reference to Talin as the main character in the manual. He drops dead of a massive heart attack moments after submitting his work.

dike takes a look at the game's character bios and puts an odd reference to Talin as the commander of the Imperial Guards in the game's intro sequence. Just because, he also changes Uriel Septim VII to Uriel Septim IV on one of the intro screens. Why? Because this is the way dike is and this is what dike does.

Because Tom kicked the bucket and dike didn't have access to his work, he doesn't know about Tom's reference to the player character, not that he'd be likely to care. While whistling happily to himself over what is surely a job well done, he submits his work to the boss and clocks out a well-deserved two hours early, leaving Harry all by himself in the office.

After brainstorming in his cubicle all afternoon trying to find the best way to use the name Talin, he quickly settles on an odd reference to someone's (possibly the player character's) father in the class generation sequence. Because Tom is worm food and dike is...well, dike, Harry has no idea Talin has already been used twice for two separate characters. He submits his work and heads out for the day, wondering about the odd smell coming from Tom's cubicle.

Talin was never mentioned again.

When the game ships, no one can say for certain who is named Talin because the programmers and manual writers, through lack of communication, managed to create an inconsistency. Many, many years later, some guy on a forum decided Ocato was the player character. Others argued way harder against this theory than they ought to, considering the evidence they were using was based entirely on an inconsistent naming scheme.

Lurking on the forums, dike came across this particular thread. And dike laughed.

Because for dike, this was amusemant.

honestly, I think Jauffre would be far more likely, being the Blades Grandmaster and all..

say what you will about Uriel, he was actually a pretty competent Emperor.. giving someone a role such as High Chancellor for the reason of "hey, thanks for saving me" is highly unlikely, firstly saving someone is not a proper representation of someones potential as a politician and ability to govern, which is what the HC needs to be skilled at.. plus it would cause a huge stink with the long serving members of the council, and could have caused more damage in a time where they have to work on fixing the damage done during the Simulacrum, which would make it a very stupid idea on Uriel's part..


however, assigning the person to Blades Grandmaster actually makes some sense compared to making them High Chancellor.. the members of the Blades ranks are assigned based off their service to the Septim line and the Empire in general, as opposed to a position like HC where the person needs to be a skilled politician, not a warrior..




still though, as Cider said, the Eternal Champion did have a canon name, Talin.. I think you may be going a bit out of your way to try and find a reason its not.