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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:28 am

Anyone find the computer in there? Can anyone confirm its your characters name it mentions?



Prewar DLC of how you become a war hero anyone?

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Chrissie Pillinger
 
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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:39 pm

According to Fallout Wiki, it is your character's name if they are male and Nate if they are female.



A Prewar DLC about how your character became a War Hero would discriminate against everyone that was forced to be a lawyer and have no content for them. Also, lots of people hate that we are forced into certain origins even though Fallout 1 to Fallout 3 have forced us into the Vault Dweller or Tribal origin leaving our home for the first time in about 17 years.

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:12 am

I thought seeing my name on this terminal was cool because it was really subtle and very vague. Personally, I don't want pre-war DLC. That would basically undo everything that I've conceived of as my own back story. I don't want a game like this to provide much in the way of background.

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:15 pm


Operation: Anchorage could be classified as pre-war DLC and any reasonable pre-war DLC would involve some type of VR Simulation. For a name like the Memory Den, it certainly lacked a lot of content.



An actual pre-war DLC would likely be the end of Fallout as far as Bethesda is concerned. Go back in time to stop the Great War from happening. Of course, it could be they follow Fallout 2's example with the Guardian of Forever and go back in time to cause the Great War to happen so the protagonist of that Fallout game and almost all others would exist.

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:56 pm

Doesn't he mention a sister being a lawyer?

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:49 am


Pretty much this. In New Vegas, I liked the Lonesome Road DLC overall, but I understand that Obsidian got some flak over the fact that they were adding to the backstory of the Courier. If you've got a backstory where you get shot in the head on the first job for the Mojave Express, having a DLC that talks about a previous delivery to the Divide doesn't make a lot of sense. Better to not add any backstory at all. Heck, a lot of people don't like the backstory added in this game. Nate was in the Military, and Nora has a Law degree, and they're married and have a kid. A lot of people hate that small bit that we have.

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:51 pm


Personally I don't really mind having this little bit of back story. I definitely wouldn't have missed it if it hadn't been there, but I feel like it's vague enough to still leave plenty of room for people to insert their own back story

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:29 pm


Especially the people that want to play a character that has a gay backstory.

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:31 am

Gay? The game starts with him and his wife. Is he still in the closet in 2077? Or is he bi and she gives him a pass as long as he is messing around with just guys?

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That is why some people hate being forced into defined roles like a male War Hero being married to a female lawyer. Fallout is influenced too much by the 50s so it is not surprising if gay marriage doesn't exist in 2077. Of course, who you are married to doesn't matter to other people in 2078 due to survival being far more important than cultural taboos. With Fallout 3, if I wanted to I could create a backstory where my female character and Amata were in a relationship or my male character and Butch were in a relationship before leaving the vault. However, I am forced to somehow create a backstory how a gay War Hero is married to a female lawyer. Personally, I don't care since as far as I am concerned, Nate and Nora didn't exist until that scene in the bathroom.

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:04 am


For whatever it's worth, I saw a mod on Nexus the other day that allows you to start with either a male couple or a female couple. That may not help in all situations though.

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:59 am

Which is quite peculiar in that Bethesda provides Romance to ALL gender combinations. My first game start (325+ hours), my male character had naught but males for Companions. It actually got kind of annoying when eventually ALL of them had a Flirt option come up in conversation. If he was that gay in a 50s-inspired Military, how did he last long enough to become a war hero before being Dishonorably Discharged?

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:17 am

Yes and yes.



I was actually surprised to see mention of someone that I couldn't give a rat's a** about and who was dead, but, hey, it was still kind of cool.

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:40 pm


I think Pre-War Fallout is heavily influenced by the 50s, when gay people probably accepted having a heterosixual family just to fit in even if it wasn't really what they wanted. Post-Apocalyse, I can't imagine that the social norms from the 50s would be adhered to anymore.



The NPCs swing either way because it's your story, not theirs. Their sixual orientation has no bearing on the game whatsoever, and if you fancied Preston as a guy, then the game automatically has him swing that way when you flirt with him, because a lot of people will be upset if certain characters had defined gender preferences. I'd have been upset if Cait told me "sorry, I'm not into guys..".

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:23 pm


Although, people are used to npcs having sixual preferences due to the Bioware games. So even if their favorite Fallout 4 companion is not the preference they want, then they will come to terms with it. Might make Cait more interesting if she said that she wasn't into guys and given her history it is understandable. Dragon Age had 2 bi characters (Leiliana and Zevran), Dragon Age 2 is the anomaly with everyone bi, but Sebastian, and Dragon Age Inquisition had 2 gay characters (Dorian and Sera) and 2 bi characters (Iron Bull and Josephine). Mass Effect had 1 bi character with Liara, Mass Effect 2 had 3 bi characters (Kelly, Samara, and Morinth), Mass Effect 3 had 2 gay characters (Steve and Samantha) and 4 bi characters (Kaidan, Kelly, Liara, and Diana).

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:08 am

But as you say, it is the player character's story. Sure, in 2287 surface dwellers aren't locked into any sixual preference requirements. You grab love wherever you find it. But in 50-ish 2077? Husband, wife, child. Big macho male war hero. Mrs. Clever homemaker-lawyer. At a stretch, I can maybe see her being potentially bi. But she just became a mother in a traditional family unit, with a baby made in the traditional way. So her being anything but straight is unlikely. 50s-style Military is waaaaayyyy before the Military ever got around to "Don't ask; don't tell". Male soldiers really don't like to share foxholes with other soldiers that like men that way. In short, for both of them, having any homosixual feelings would be embarassing and something that they would feel obligated to hide. If anything, IF either mom or dad had any homosixual tendencies, they would at some point be saying, "Things really have changed if same six relationships don't even raise an eyebrow!" Which I don't recall it being said by either character --my wife plays the female character in her game, and I prefer playing as a male character -- ANYWHERE in the game.



A perverse interpretation: Given that the game seriously nudges the player to go to Concord to pick up Preston Garvey as the first human Companion, and that 60+% of players will be males that most likely are playing male characters, they will be getting the first Flirt option between male character and Preston, more than likely. So, in a way, Bethesda is promoting homosixuality. NOT that they're saying "Do it!" But definitely suggesting, "It's okay if you do."



I wonder how long before the Holy Rollers show up?

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Post » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:06 am


But there is no proof of that due to the lack of evidence about life before the Great War. Just the notion that if Fallout's technology and fashion is based on the 50s, then values could be as well. If Gay Marriage existed in 2077, then there is no way that the protagonists could be gay. Although, I don't know what is forced for those types of players. Having their characters forced into being straight or having their characters forced into hiding who they are. Chances are that Bethesda will keep the certain parts about pre-war America vague to avoid opening up a can of worms.

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Post » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:20 pm

That's probably true, just as it is probably true that they included the potential for gay relationships precisely so gay players wouldn't feel discriminated against. But Bethesda has sort of created the paradox themselves. Can you imagine how General Chase from Operation Anchorage would react to the news that he had gay soldiers under his command? The thing is, in ALL of the game content concerning the pre-Apocalypse period, there are NO, NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH depiction of anything other than heterosixual relationships. So when casual homosixuality is dropped in the players' laps, it just doesn't feel like a natural progression. It feels like Real World modern mores being forced onto the game imagery that they set up.... and then altered for obvious, Real World considerations. (Those being to not alienate gay gamers and thereby increase sales.)

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