Elon Musk fears AI. A lot of much smarter people then myself do as well. I, less eloquently then most, was trying to reflect those fears. I did google Metaprogramming to get it's definition.

The french frie bit was a hamfisted attempt at humor. Guess I missed the mark.

You are in a forum dedicated to a video game. I was trying to get a complex point across that would be understood by people that frequent such a place as this. I'm sorry I diminished the Divine code. It's hard to argue with you. You use a lot of $10 dollar words and like to let everyone know it. Signed, just some dude.

How do you know that your cat recognizes itself in the mirror? Many primates have failed the mirror test.


Mirror test: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test


Anyway, yes, cats probably are sentient, if we use the strict definition. But I hesitate to say, based on your anecdotal evidence, that cats are self-aware in the sense that humans are. You don't generally see advlt humans doing this when they see themselves in a mirror: https://youtu.be/o8fu6xDmfOU

Not to mention that is EXACTLY what the Human brain does. We are not born with much wordily knowable, we have to learn it, and then in our own way let it define us.

Then what is the truth? I'm expressing my opinion that I though would be logical. Maybe I should preface each post with IMO.

These are normal English words, man. They're not expensive. I'll lend you some, here.

No, seriously, the biggest word I used in that post was "implication." That's not a $10 word. I refuse to believe it. The reason I use these words is because they are actually different than the words I don't use. They mean different things.

What I'm trying to get across to you is that you can believe what you want to believe, but do not believe in it strongly. It's a tougher question than you think. That's not my fault.

This here is the gap I was kind of hinting at to someone else. Humans are a meta-program. We are a hard-coded program that generates new programs to solve problems we come across. We don't have hard-coded wiring for how to spend our perk points in FO4, but we have hard-coded wiring for producing wiring that will help us decide how to spend perk points in FO4.

You're not at my house in the morning before my first cup of coffee!

If synths are truly as advanced as the game makes them out to be then I really only have one thing to quote that's relevant to this.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannh?user Gate.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain.

Time to die.

'nuff said.

I think thety will. But we don't know for sure.

I love that scene. The best part? Rutger Hauer ad-libbed a bit of it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue). And the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARPCjp0ppEE

True enough. Still anecdotal.

For the people arguing how "recall codes" somehow make Synths ineligible for human rights, I would suggest you compare recall codes to hypnosis. And since other people are doing it, I might as well join in the fun. Signed, the psychologist / computer programmer.

Well, hypnosis depends on the subject being either compliant or vulnerable. All synths come with a recall code. No humans come with a recall code. Recall codes operate wirelessly or verbally. Hypnosis is far more complex than simply transmitting a particular string of characters or hearing their equivalent spoken sounds.

Also, hypnosis cannot make you stop breathing or stop your heart from beating or otherwise "turn you off."

So despite the rough similarities, I don't think they are the same, and yes I do consider the existence of recall codes in synths are one of the design features that clues us in that these are not humans and shouldn't be given human rights. Perhaps they should be given "synth rights" and perhaps the set of synth rights might in some ways resemble human rights, but synths should never be capable of harming humans, EVER. They should never be capable of deceiving humans or impersonating them. They should be incapable of lying, and incapable of believing they are humans. Anything short of that, and I'm afraid that, as GECC101 has noted above, synths with liberty are the beginning of the death toll for humans in the Fallout universe.

It is a simple matter of pragmatics. If you give something all of your capabilities plus superhuman levels of them, as well as the liberty to do what it wants, it shouldn't be surprising if it comes back with its buddies and starts bossing you around before too long.

Post limit. Someone can make a follow-up thread if they wish. But some of the snark and hostility that was creeping in toward the end there would need to stop.