Sure, we can all agree that Danse's post-BoS/Blind Betrayal dialogue can be a bit off-putting ("For the Brotherhood!" and other such statements, even while being exiled and simultaneously attacking hostile BoS patrols). But what bugs me more than anything else is the fact that he doesn't stay out of Power Armor after Blind Betrayal. Honestly, if he is considered as good as dead to Maxson, and therefore free game for any BoS member to open fire upon him anywhere in the Commonwealth...why walk around in such a conspicuous outfit? Sure, he's not wearing his BoS Paladin T-60 Power Armor, but it's Power Armor nonetheless, and would make him very recognizable all the same (everyone would be used to seeing Danse in PA, day-in and day-out). If I was Danse, I'd want to travel incognito, wear normal clothing and armor, no matter how much a part of my identity Power Armor may be. I guess old habits die hard.....unless you have Fallout 4 on computer and therefore can mod Danse's appearance. :/

I wish he wasn't wearing power armor all the time too. It's impractical. I'd rather be able to have him use power armor (or not use it) when directed like any other companion. Plus, he looks too good to keep covered up like that all the time.

I was so happy to find out that I at most could unequip his BoS Hood. On a new character, I did that more or less right away, as even removing that makes him look sooooo much better. <3 Almost takes a few years off his face, oddly. Next time I get to Blind Betrayal, I'm going to take screenshots of him, lol.

My beef is more with his edherence to the Brotherhood's tenets and lack of character growth. Exiled from the Brotherhood, learned his true nature, considered a "kill-on-sight" target by those he used to call comrades...


Danse: "Naw, it's fine! Technology is still the boogeyman and Synths are ticking time bombs! Ad Victoriam!"


.... *smacks him upside his head with a severed Gen-2 arm*


I mean, sure his attitude changes ever so slightly in regards to his reactions when you talk about Synths, but it's virtually no change. On top of that, if you romance him and then side against the Brotherhood, he refuses to speak to you. Buddy, do you not understand that they turned on you at the drop of a hat?! WHY ARE YOU STILL A BROTHERHOOD really devoted fan?!?!


At any rate, yeah... The permenant power armor is tiresome. I hope Bethesda changes that in the near future.

This is why after getting his perk I ate him.

Yeah, I agree, and this is what I meant by the first part of my original post. But seriously, if you are "kill on sight", at least change your usual look... Plenty of people in real life have to do that.

I think this has more to do with you want him out of his PA than him wanting to be out of his power armor.

Canon wise, he spends most of his time at the bunk, supported by the fact that Haylen often comes over to visit and bring him food and clothes and spends time with him. I imagine he puts on PA for protection and he used to fight inside the armor for many years. It's like if you're used to being shot at while wearing PA, you may get careless and doesn't feel like being as careful.

Because you killed not only the BoS, but also the people he cares about and under his commands like Scribe Haylen. He still believes in the BoS as the only option to save the world. While he has been exiled, nothing about his personal quest makes him question the method, he even agrees that he needs to die because the BoS was right. If you kill innocent people, he will get angry and states that he may be exiled but he won't sit by and see you tarnish the BoS name. The ending has him talk about the BoS is still the way to save the Commonwealth.

Youd think facial reconstruction would be his last companion quest

Changing his gorgeous face is a crime worse than betraying the BoS.

And he is right with the time bomb. No matter how well intended the current Dense is - one short command is enough to reset him, and then he can be reprogrammed

But I convinced him Maxon was wrong about Synths. He even agreed. But he'd rather die than betray Maxon who so casually said, "You dont deserve to live even though Danse would kill for Maxon to him. It makes 0 sense to still believe that the people that want you dead because of how you were born. Direct quote, "He was not born from a loving womb but of a cold lab test tube." Maxon even said his loyalty was FALSE. To which Danse replied, " Its true a lot of my childhood was programming, but when I lost my fellow brothers I felt sorrow. When I defeated an enemy of the brotherhood, I felt pride." Maxon just insults him. Everyone on the ship is glad he's dead. Quinlan expresses his disgust saying he wouldn't miss him more than a toaster... than a toaster. Like I said IRL no one would remain loyal to that. Im surprised Haylen didn't go AWOL

If you listen to Haylen's holotape that you can find in the police station before the return of the Prydwen (and it still might be there afterwards, but I don't know for sure), you will see that she has doubts about certain aspects of the BoS, so she's already a bit unusual in that regard. She still does her duty, but her thoughts are not single-track in everything.

Nevertheless, when my first character spoke to Haylen after the whole Danse thing and she talked about going to spend time with him, my character promptly corrected her that Haylen was welcome to spend time with *them* as in *both* Danse and my character, as in "Back off, he's *mine*!"

It was definitely within Haylen's personality to do and feel as she did about the situation though.

*points emphatically at this*


I will concede that he does still care about the people in the BoS, even though the feeling isn't reciprocated. But shouldn't he at least question why he's still so loyal when he knows how everyone at the BoS feels about him? How many times must he be fired upon by his former comrades, or how long must he sit isolated at the outpost, before he questions? Or, if we leave him at Sanctuary with other people, how long would really take for him to question whether the Brotherhood is really the best thing for the Commonwealth when he knows their methods full well?


As for attacking the people he cares about, I intentionally avoid the Police Station until after Airship Down (I have never seen Haylan or Rhys at the Airport during the assault). Afterwards, both are missing from the Station when I've visited.

I'm glad that one other character had Danse's back besides the Sole Survivor. I can't be more grateful for her in helping me keep him safe.

Ugh, all of that made me want to punch Maxson and others in the throat... Brotherhood needs a change in leadership if they are going to turn on their brothers and sisters like that.

I can understand their point of view though since it's always possible that Danse had been programmed to infiltrate them and on a certain date at a certain time a trigger would go off compelling him to turn on them as part of his programming. I think Maxson made the only choice he really could at the time considering that he did agree to a compromise to allow Danse to live in the first place. His position requires him to hold the welfare of the Brotherhood as a whole over the welfare of one single Paladin.

Doesn't mean that things couldn't be worked out differently in the future depending on how things go, but at that time, no one really knows enough about synths and their behavior (other than the Institute...and I don't think even *they* have a full handle on it) to be able to be too trusting.

I definitely think they could have edited his dialogue a bit. It's okay if he still supports the Brotherhood, given his ideals, but...


-He shouldn't refer to himself as part of the Brotherhood.

-He then shouldn't shoot and kill hostile BoS members.


I unfortunately think that Danse's storyline ends at Blind Betrayal. I wish they would've used the additional audio files/story, but they probably figured that too many people would choose the BoS ending.


Also, why does Maxson show up to the bunker by himself? That seems very dangerous and illogical.

Sloppy post-Blind Betrayal gameplay adjustments aside, I disagree that Danse's behavior is at all out of character, or that it makes no sense. It makes perfect sense for Danse. In fact, it would reflect badly on his character and call into question his previously proclaimed devotion if he abandoned his belief in the Brotherhood's code simply because it stopped benefitting him. Instead Blind Betrayal firmly establishes him as a man of integrity - he doesn't suddenly start perceiving the BoS's beliefs as the problem, he sees himself as the problem. The best you can do is convince him his existence can still benefit other deserving people, like you, but you cannot change his view that he himself is something less, you can only make him decide to live with it.

I honestly don't think this turn of events is in any way 'unbelievable'. The Brotherhood is, after all, not only militaristic but also quasi-religious, so Danse's Job-level devotion seems pretty in-character for a BoS soldier.

Yeah, completely agree with that. After all, it was his mentor-to-be that helped Danse change his life in a more meaningful direction, going from a kid scrounging through the wastes to an honored Paladin defending the everyman (regardless of whether or not the memories were faked or implanted from the human Danse...if he really is a Synth at all, as no one gives you 100% concrete proof that it's even true). He wouldn't simply forget all he's been through, nor his BoS brothers and sisters.