If you still stick on your point that the basic expectations for a game are enough for you then....congratulations for fun with fallout 4

I like those Things too but the Game is a bit bigger, has more Features and you should use them all to make a Objective Judge. And there is the Problem in Fallout. The Shooting is great, and the World is just beautiful, but its also empty, i wouldnt say souless like Metal gear Solid 5 TPP, but for an Bethesda Game in these Days? Its nothing, sry.

All DLC'S we will see now will be like a God given Gift for us. Thats [censored] Marketing... good for Bethesda, bad for us, from the Vanilla Aspect.

and hopefully at least a couple DLCs take place on the current map to 'fill' in some of the emptiness...(well that's what I'm hoping for anyway)

What I want is more cities and random NPCs. It was fun to interact with random NPCs in cities and houses in Skyrim. There were barely any people in Fallout 4.

The Map is kind of empty but also everything looks unique to me. There are for me less Places to build Structures or even Settlements/Cities. I really cant say its just my Modding Opinion. But everything is possible here. We will see xD

Every Bethesda game I have played has been binge play, get bored, stop playing. Return 6 months later binge play, get bored stop playing and so on till their next product. Right now I am in the bored phase just after the game was released but before the creation kit the leanest time for me in terms of enjoyment of a bethesda product. I am pleased with the quality and direction that bethesda took with their product. They have always been lacking in terms of narrative, but they really took a large leap in quality here. Just compare the quality of the companions in Skyrim to the ones in FO4. This direction wont be liked by all people, but a game can't be all things to all people.

Lol did you really just compare real-life Boston and it's population with a post nuked to hell Boston where vast amount of the region will kill you just by you being there let alone trying to live there? Also there is technically 3 "cities" if you include Vault 81 and 4 unique settlements if you include covenant, The Slog and Sanctuary Hills along with Bunker Hill. The authors of the Fallout wiki also included the Prydwen and the Institute as "cities" too even though I haven't in this conversation. The fact that there is even this much human civilization left after such armageddon is itself quite the miracle.

I take you haven't done the SIlver Shroud quest? Bobbi-No nose quest? Those involve you doing side stuff in cities and I haven't even mentioned the detective cases in Diamond city or many of the side stuff in Vault 81. I'm going to let you figure out the rest of the side quest in the cities by yourself.

I never said you cannot compare post-apocalyptic games with fantasy games, not sure where you pull that out from. If you are talking about the comparison I made with Witcher 3 a while back I stated that it's easier to compare Skyrim with the Witcher 3 than it is with Fallout 4 given that they are much similar genre and mechanic wise.

Gameplay wise it says a lot about the laziness of Skyrim and the Nords when a bunch of Cthulu worshipping, psychopathic and xenophobic troglodytes from Cyrodill can rebuild a small town bigger and better than nearly half the so-called cities in Skyrim even though their own government purged and burned their town to the ground only a few decades ago instead of them just sitting around for last 78 years whining about how evil magic is.

Thank someone see that too,

Yes that the endless fight between the action gamer (CoD, borderland ...), and the rpg gamer ( classic fallout ...)

and now we are right in a middle with this fallout 4. So see you soon at the release of Call Of fallout

Silver Shroud is so far the biggest Side Quest and it was good but iam not that huge Comic Hero Fan i made all those stupid Dialogs with Shroud Voice, never again . And ofcourse Bobbie no-nose was a bit short, short like her Nose or the Kill Contract from the Barkeeper or the walking Beer Machine But thats the Point those Quests are a big Percentage from all Side Quests. Do you say i should be lucky that those 2 Cities got some Side Quests to do? ^^

EDIT: Halucigen is very nice but also short.

How many Side Quests do you know with non Connection to the 2 Cities?

How many unique NPC's got Fallout 3 or this New Vegas?

This thread got shorter. Stick to the topic please. If you want to discuss Vampire: The Masquerade, go make a thread in CD. If you want to talk about other games in the series, go to the Fallout Series thread.

and for the love of god, if someone makes a looooooong post using double spacing, stop re-quoting it and making it longer and longer. That's just plain annoying!. Just snip it and add to it. Assuming it is on topic.

Now I mean no offence, but I seriously have no clue what you are trying to say in the last two sentences.

I presume you also mean to say no connection to faction side quests too right? I counted 32 non-city and no-faction side quests in total although I'm not sure if that is accurate or not.

I'm too lazy to bother counting all the Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 NPCS but judging by the scroll bar the numbers are almost even.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_4_characters

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_characters

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_characters

Keep in mind however that New Vegas and 3 includes all the DLC npcs as well and they apparently including all the Gary Clones as unique npcs in Fallout 3

Once Fallout 4 has DLCS it will surpass the amount of NPCS that the previous two games have.

I never played other Games then Fallout 4 and Skyrim, to be exact:

Oblivion 50 Hours and Fallout 3 5 Hours. Just as Information. Things like Slavery or this Gary Vault i just know them from Youtube.

The List of the unique NPC's from FO4 has many dead Persons and even 7 or so of them are just Ghouls. The Wiki says they have Connection to Sanctaury they dont even have a Information like that. I finally know where these Ghouls coming from but i still dont know whats the special, i mean what makes them so special to get an unique Name. Those Enemies has no Infos where they come from, just Ghouls to shoot

The other Thing is many of those NPC's having Quests like bring me Fruits and get Bottlecaps. I know Skyrim got these Quests to but from the Percentage of all Quests you have many more of these little meaningless-one-Way-Quests in Fallout as in Skyrim.

I talk about Special Quests, Quests i wont forget because they were funny, bizarr, or Difficult. The Companions Quests from Fallout 4 are special, no doubt. Halucigen, Silver Shroud, Bobbi no-nose and so, the Witch Museum and Cabot. But some more? There not much like these.

i miss the garys

It's not the existing quests being overhauled that I want. I want more side quests, ideally using Diamond City and Goodneighbor as quest hubs. I want to be overwhelmed with content and have 30 misc objectives and 12 side quests in my journal, just like in Skyrim.

Also, I'd love the "gather some items for me" radiant quest because I anyway find the items by accident at some point.