Seriously, I wanted to know if anyone has noticed this or agrees? It seems to exactly similar to the basic definition not to be.


Institute= Conservative ideology (pretty simple one), they feel they have the answers, and that everyone else is probably wrong. Won't hear another sides views.


BoS= Populist ideology, they belief free trade is the blood of an economy and its people, but would prefer certain values to be enforced on people; such as what people can, and can't do. In game they do their utmost to protect traders, yet will stop anyone trying to get their hands on weapons they don't feel should be out in the open.


Railroad= Libertarian ideology, they believe everyone should have equal rights, and be free to live as they please. However, they believe a strict over watch of capitalism is necessary, or it will become corrupted and separate the people into social classes. In game the Railroad runs all caravan trade across the commonwealth with undercover agents, to me that is extremely similar.


Minutemen= Liberal ideology, we all know what this means, everyone should live where they want, how they want, and that trade should be as open as possible to anyone, as long as it doesn't discriminate.


Anyone else agree?

im not american, but here id say the "they feel they have the answers, and that everyone else is probably wrong. Won't hear another sides views." is more the liberals

although all sides are a bit like that but the liberal hippies here are 100% right no matter what, if someone with longer hair than them (i have long hair lol) tells them 1+1 = apple then that is right no matter what anyone else sez.

The conservative/liberal axis doesn't really come into play, the division isn't between rich and poor. BoS are closer to fascists with the military "purging" the wasteland of undesirables. The Institute is a total dictorship and reflects whoever is in control. Railroad has a singular purpose and isn't a population comparable to the others. Minutemen is little more than a raider larper gang, so it's either a communist utopia or a slave plantation depending on your point of view.

Not really. I see the Institute as a group of scientist who do horrible things but they think it's justified for the greater good(I personally disagree). The Railroad is like the Underground Railroad from history. They want to free slaves. I don't know what to make of the BoS to be honest. The east coast BoS is more welcoming to outsiders compared to their west coast brothers/sisters but they still rub me the wrong way. The Minuteman feel like they are suppose to become the NCR of the East Coast at some point.

Edit: Decided to delete my post as this thread is too involved in real world politics, which aren't allowed here.

Absolutely correct. As far as American politics are concerned anyway. I might also add the fact that they also consider anyone not part of their group to be somehow inferior, thus justifying anything and everything they do to those people no matter how unethical or immoral.

BoS and Minutemen have far more in common with conservatism than The Institute does.

The only thing anyone will get out of this thread is who here is a liberal and who here is a conservative, based solely on how badly they misrepresent the other side.

Orphan's post will be the only true thing said here

Sorry, I don't see it.

The only thing the FO4 factions have in common with RL political movements is that everyone has retreated into their own corner, drinking their own "kool-aid", completely unwilling to compromise or listen to reason.

Well ok yea, I'm not taking in the big context of Fallout 4's [censored] world here. When I mean liberals, I mean by the definition of the term as an ideology, and not the modern liberals who feel that all guns should be banned. Even then, not all liberals are like that, modern conservatives and liberals have become very extreme for their sides, so using them as an example isn't exactly the point.


Minutemen don't necessarily want to tax, there's no government to uphold. But they want everyone to do their part, to equally contribute to society.


The BoS to me is extremely populists like in their attitudes, like you said they are more fascists, but that's post-war, their attiudes are very populist-like. If all hell broke loose, populists would possibly act the exact same way. Conservatives value hard work over intelligence, believe that if they try their hardest in life they can succeed, and then use an individual as an example of how it can be done (Elder Maxon) is a perfect example of this. Conservatives nowadays love place Trump as a role model because they believe hard work can get you to the top. Who's to say conservatives wouldn't be the ones to turn to fascism in the way they would govern their societies. Populists are very close to conservatives in their ethical views. I would say the BoS could be one or the other, but since the Institute are the only ones I could see taking on that role fully.


The Railroad is obviously a mention of the Underground Railroad in Charleston, SC. But the people whom did that where very libertarian, because liberals rarely come out of the south, but educated conservatives tend to become libertarians. They believe that synths, and humans are alike, and that they both have inalienable rights, that the institute and BoS is trying to take away.


The Institute is conservative in my opinion, because conservatives have always fought back against what didn't match their ideals or values. The Civil War being an example, the current conservatives taking up Federal buildings and patrolling the Mexican border on their own, because they believe every other institution is wrong, and that they need to take matters into their own hands. Conservatives believe all their values are what's best for the world, even if the poor don't quite know it yet, Institute is the same way. The only discrepancy with this is their technology, by going through American history, conservatives have always been the least educated group, and the group that brings in the least income. Institute is very advanced, and they definitely have a cash flow. But their values are very self-oriented but delusioned to think it would serve everyone for the better. Conservatives believe if we pay the least amount of taxes possible, businesses and people will flourish. They think the middle class will increase their worth substantially just by following their values. It's the same damn mind-set to my opinion.


The fact that the BoS specifically mentions at one point that they want patrols watching over traders to make sure the economy can flourish, while also stopping any who don't abide by their ethics. That's a textbook populist right there.


The fact that the Railroad secretly manages all caravan trade in the commonwealth seems very libertarian to me, who feel every big business should be monitored closely to avoid corruption taking place.

This.

Haha so true. Thats why I never get into politics and religion debates.

Hahahahaha ain't that the truth! In all honestly, both sides have become very extreme. Liberals have gone too far with their equality, and personal safety stuff. But Conservatives are refusing to see the real problems currently affecting our country. They'd rather stick to their values and ideals than contemplate hearing anothers beliefs, liberals can be like that also, but conservatives are extremely narrow-minded these days. Completely ignoring other possible answers, and blaming it all on the most common enemy, the president. They refuse to admit they may have made bad decisions when voting for their Reps and Senators, because it's always the president's fault. Liberals overall are more educated, make more income, and are more objective than subjective (in most cases). The two sides have become so far apart that it's become a serious problem, yet they all use their scapegoat, and they all have their heroes.

I think this thread should probably be closed.

lol @ banning guns being a liberal agenda. No country that isn't in the middle of a civil war lets civilians walk around with guns. This is purely an American problem.

Aye.

It is, and it's not going to be solved anytime soon with these attitudes. They left wants no guns, the right wants everyone with a gun. How about we just start by making sure they don't get sold into the wrong hands. Then we can go from there, but America isn't like any other country, it's one of the Individualistic cultures of the world, that still remains. We'll never gonna get rid of the right to carry, we need it to become a responsibility problem, not a "let's get rid of the 2nd Amendment" problem. It won't ever happen, because every time people try to do something about the problem, it gets spun around as if the government is banning all guns. You gotta realize the gun industry is a very strong one here, they, and the NRA spend over a billion every single year just to lobby Congress on this. If we don't get money out of politics we won't solve a single problem, not if it means taking money from someone who has a lot of it.

Careful bud, that sounds an AWFUL lot like common sense

To make this more Fallouty... Two things never change "War" and the "Golden Rule" The ones with the gold make the rules, everything else is peoples egos and delusions.

If at all railroad are sovialists and certainly not libertarian if they want to restricttrade....bos i would rather call faschists than populists.....minuteman okayisch....institute not surea

Both the Institute and the BoS have a fascist vibe to them IMO. One in a military dictatorship sort of way, the other as a shadow government with secret police. Both justify their actions as being for the greater good, but their methods prove that their only real concern is control and self aggrandizement.

Yeah, this isn't going to go anywhere good. RL politics isn't a topic allowed here.