No I don't. I prefer waiting the release and then try before judging. But some points, like the saving thing and the disabled fast travel, make me some doubt. So like OP said i'd say instead of "knowing" I "think", a terrible thing as I can see...

Yeah that's right, making multiple saves, that's the idea. It's difficult to judge it now but what I'm worried is about the new saving system of the brand new survival mode, will I be able to make multiple saves and limit the damages? Just my "thoughts"...

Oh, sorry. Glorious hardcoe gamers race, filthy casual gamers plebs.

What have save restrictions got to do with "real world mechanics"?

I didnt discuss the other thread here, some other people continued to bring it up... They were baiting me, and a moderator can clearly see that... We are having conversations about the topic I created here, and I apologized to anyone offended by the title...

And I did not discuss this thread on the other, thats a bold face lie! Is it against the rule to have two different conversations at the same time???

Strict rules make sense for a MMO, where everyone has to play by those rules, but this is a single player game. And a very mod-able one on PC. By default those "rules" are open to player to choice. Making all or some of those changes on the list Toggle-able will make the most people happy. They can chose to play the game the way they want.

If you are ok with restricting peoples choice, it just prove you have no problem forcing people to play the game your way.

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No. Cheating is something you refer as when someone does an inappropriate action to obtain a goal that without said action would not be obtained (as easy), dodging the effort it normally would take.

To illustrate why "no":

In Skyrim I used the console to make the "perks" work better, half of them were bugged/broken & perk points too scarce compared to the talks during the hype how Bethesda claimed you could be whatever you wanted..

In all of Bethesda's games that I remember there came some point where I had to use console to fix a quest being stuck or download an unofficial bug patch that included bugged weapons/armor/perks/quests/glitches.

-> if I invest a perk point in skyrim and the armor i equip doesn't get the proper buff from the perk, that is the game cheating on me. so fixing that is repairing not cheating.

Yet while all this made the game work as intended imo and slightly better/smoother/easier to play.

I also downloaded stuff to make dragons have more hp for example & played on high difficulties.

This was legit modifying, not cheating. If Skyrim is released for a full year or more and you can't reinvest perks (prior to dragonborn) than that is totally flawed. No RPG game is flawed like that, ever, never seen even one.

If you can level up a skill faster than you actually get skill points to invest in that same tree, and on it's own aren't rewarded for having a high lvl in a skill (like how in Oblivion it was working actually much better). Than that is flawed. But why think like this? Because sales talk was about how you could be whatever you wanted to be. Yet I feel you could be a sword wielding mage more smoothly in Oblivion than in Skyrim.

If people do these things to their F4, it's fine, it's not cheating. But btw F4 is actually insanely well-balanced compared to TES series - so it's not needed imo.

If people wanna unlock saving in survival mode cause they do strongly believe they have "such a busy real life" (rofl). Then that is fine. But if it only ends there, the moment they save even once just cause they feel like it but not cause "they gtg rly fast".. it's cheating. Not because they used a mod to unlock a thing, but because they put a reason in place for that mod and then lied to themselves about it.

So yeah, conscience..

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You are dating your age by making a statement like that. If you think game modes originated with MMO's then you are sadly mistaken. Have you never played Metal Gear Solid? Devil May Cry? Ninja Gaiden? Alien Isolation? Metro? The list goes on...

Its not my way its Bethesdas way! why are you keep making this about me??? This is not about me, but respecting the developers decisions... And their decision is to make a traditional mode. Customizing with mods is perfectly fine, but it sounds like mods really spoiled you which in turn spoils the Survival Mode...

The joys of single player games, there are no firm "rules" and you can play it how you want to play it. in Bethesda games, you can mod them to fit your taste as well. Plus, the way someone else plays has no effect on my game, so even better.

This, this, more of this, and this some more.

Nope none of that, If you want to discuss that topic go to that thread please...

there is no such thing as 'cheating' in a single player game... you're not competing with anyone

Metal Gear Solid? Nope

Devil May Cry? Nope

Ninja Gaiden? Nope

Alien Isolation? Nope

Metro? Nope

It now make sense. You're FPS [redacted]

Away with you snowflake. You're opinion has no relevance now.

You have a fair point there, but I personally wouldn't have a problem with toggle options. It would then be down to the player's self control. I'm all for more choice, but I accept you have a valid point about game modes.

Lucky for me and other hardcoe gamers we have Bethesda making a survival mode to satisify us if you want to cheat then YOU use mods Bethesda doesn't have to create a cheat mode for you and i hope they don't give in to all the whiner.

Nothing is forced upon anyone. Don't like survival mode don't play it or mod out what you don't like... it isn't Bethesda job to make cheat mode for you.

Yes there is just because it's single player doesn't mean you can't cheat to make the game easier then intended.

Wow, 3 of those 5 games are not shooters... And you have brung no contributions to this thread but utter disrespect and name calling...

I share the opinion that saving only on sleep is a fun and challenging mechanic (played FO3 awhile that way).

Still the thread title is a simple insult no wonder that so much negative reactions are found here.

Condescending much?

Everyone has opinions and the opinion of every person who paid the game is just as valid as yours. Every single one is a customer. The developers will do the best they can to create a more challenging setting for those who want it, of that I'm sure.

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So because I give OP a compliment how I understand him tryharding a game, I offend you at the same time? What the ??????????

And this is a thread about saving, not weapon degredation. Also I seen more people flame eachother than OP himself actually flame someone.

Because someone supporting Bethesda should be topiclocked, yet all the repetitive crycry topics about people with 5 hours in the game, 2 topics on their forum acc should be prioritized more than a diehard fan. lmfao

If you call others dumb & then go telling these same people to read your post again, you prove yourself that you have a superiority complex. Considering you saying things about people having a superiority complex earlier is then pretty amazing.

All in all you actually dodge the fact that I made a valid point. Whether unknowing or knowing (and just trolling).

And the only thing you do is tell others they are stupid because after they explained time and time again, you fail to see their approach. And you keep strongly believing that, because they don't agree with you, they don't understand your point, and that then it entitles you to flame them aswell.

So yeah, how are they "dumb" if you fail to understand a point of view? I'm not calling you stupid, why you so mad? It doesn't mean you have to agree, you just have to get where they (opposite opinions) come from.

You speak about challenge being taken down while part of the challenge is the save/travel limitation. We think that if you really want a hard game, the limitation is a strong amplifier in difficulty.

You miss the entire point, you really do. Jesus christ, we get it, you don't like it cause you are afraid it crashes or you want to save cause apparently whenever you game , you only game 20 minutes or something?? We freaking get it. We are also aware and partly afraid of crashes and all that mumbojumbo that happens with Bethesda games. But we are willing to take the risk for the sake of hardcorism.

To begin with, only playing a game like fallout or skyrim, dragon age or final fantasy, witcher or deus ex.. for only 20minutes beats the purpose of entertainment. It's a game you want to play when you have a couple of hours to let the story sink in. You don't watch a movie for 10mins either, you watch it from start to end. That way the immersion is complete.

It totally beats playing RPG in general since they are all about sliding away in your chair/couch for a couple of hours to relax and emerge into a vivid and vibrant world. To almost forget "real life" and actually "be" a character in a game that you find a believable world. For those people who do that and want the challenge, devs make higher difficulties.

If you take this game as just a no deal game, you can play it on normal and it's just fine. I mean lol nobody remembers Metal Gear Solid 2? That game has 6/7 difficulty levels, no way you could beat it first playthrough on highest difficulty without learning some mechanics..

If you are not one of those extremist obsidian fandom people who try to boycot Bethesda all the way, then why did you ever bring up f2 as an argument?

I mean good for you that you played games from both devs. But it held no sway as far as I'm concerned.

Also, if I can make a suggestion, you should do the chicken nugget thing & post it on yt.

I, too, am a pro-gamer playing Fallout 4, for it requires all my professional faculty.

Let's face it though, fellow Gamey SEALS veterans, if you really think about it, anything BGS could possibly add is tedium anyways. The enemies will move and behave generally the same way, the biggest gun will do the most damage and actually not using Power Armor will still be your own fault. What those godforsaken casual vermin demand is only to make restrictions - i.e. less features - optional. Not removing content or even new things.

I believe that whatever makes the most people happy, in a medium designed to make many people happy, is the right way to go. Of course only because think about it: If those "people" are happy, they will be less pumped & angry and thus without the edge to reach the heights of skill the likes of us, keeping the summit air clear for those who actually deserve to breathe it. Additionally, you could describe the exact way you cleared that motherfunker so much longer; as well as doubt more piercingly those who try to sell their sad, newbish little achievements as anything but deplorable phony gaming fraud.

Sample burn: "Oh so you played No-Checkboxes Survival? Just like there's none checked on your immigration form to Proskillistan?"

Now ain't that a mental 360 no scope, huh? - And you could think of so many more where that came from! Isn't life great?

So all I'm saying is: Let those casuals sit on their couches after a long day of advlt life and enjoy themselves - I know we won't! And never shall have to!

*makes secret hand gesture, for some reason clearly suggesting vast amounts of entertainment media prowess*

there is no 'intended'

They even offer you several difficulty modes and modding tools to adjust your experience to the way you want it to have.

Not to forget that mods actually make the game way harder than it actually is, by adding survival aspects to games like Skyrim and even improving the enemy AI, that starts healing itself, learns how to block your hits a.s.o.

It was more in regard to the "not playing a game from before 2005" than anything dealing with a Developer. In fact, the Developer didn't even cross my mind until it was brought up.

Uhhhhhhhh... yes there is intented... when developers create a game or a mode they have an intention... also not all mods make the game harder there are mods as well like for example making it so you can save spam in survival is a cheat...

They wouldn't add easier difficulty modes, if they had the intention to force the player to play exactly the one survival mode, that they added.

It's not like the 'saving' feature provides any difficulty increase at all... you never die in Fallout 4 either way, especially not when wearing power armor.

Someone who wants a challenge is better off playing other games than Fallout.

Changing your single-player game doesn't have anything but advantages to it.

Don't like the saving-feature? Mod it.

Don't like to miss out on weapon degradation? Mod it.

There is no downside to it.

I'm amazed seeing people being offended by how others play their games

It's not like you compete with anyone in a single-player game after all. No one else will see or care about how you play yours.

Most people that mod their game will result in having a way harder and more challenging game than you.

"Why do non-musicians have an opinion on music?"

"Why do people who don't paint have an opinion on art?"

"Why do people who aren't politicians have an opinion on politics?"

etc.

The damn cheek of them all!

Okay, enough. This is closed for clean-up and warnings. It might reopen afterwards, but I *think* I wouldn't hold my breath.