For the love of Talos, help!

Post » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:16 am

My heavily-modded oblivion has an irritating propensity to CTD when it the Imperial city, whilst using the better cities mod! I get the accursed message:"Oblivion has stoppped working; a program has caused..."



The game appears to be quite stable until I enter the Imperial City Waterfront Tunnel; this is when the game repeatedly CTD. Sometimes, I am able to navigate my way through this particular district, and the game will CTD in other districts such as the Temple district.



I believe the two main culprits are the better cities mod and the alternative start mods, though I could be wrong.



My PC is fairly up-to-date, and I use Oblivion Mod Manger/Wrye Bash to install my mods, and boss for the load order.



I have enclosed a full portfolio of my mods; please feel free to make suggestions and assistance; help is very appreciative, and thanks in advance!



Active Mod Files:


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00  Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
02 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 6.0.0]
03 DA Run Fatigue.esm
04 HorseCombatMaster.esm
05 RealisticLeveling.esm
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
06 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.3]
07 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
08 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.7]
0B Better Cities .esp [Version 6.0.0]
++ LoadingScreens.esp
0C Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
0D _darker_nights_for_nat_env.esp
0E Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
0F Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
10 Better Bell Sounds.esp
11 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
12 PCSoundMazzy.esp [Version 2.6]
13 GOSH.esp
14 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
15 Rainbows.esp
16 Cities Alive At Night.esp
17 WindowLightingSystem.esp
18 00 Realistic Player Speech.esp
19 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
1A AliveWaters.esp
1B AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
1C AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
1D Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp
1E advlt Books.esp
1F All normal clothes buyable.esp
** Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
** Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
20 ChaseCameraMod.esp
21 Chapel Tithe.esp
22 CoO1.esp
23 DaggerfallBooks.esp
24 Days&Months.esp
25 DialogTweaks.esp [Version 1.2.1]
26 ImprovedSigns.esp
27 Inebriation.esp
28 Security Rebalance-Traps and Bash Locks.esp
29 More Effective Enchantments.esp
2A Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
2B Personality Idles - Modified version.esp [Version 1.5]
2C P1DseeYouSleep.esp
2D Portable Campsite.esp
2E Camping.esp
2F Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
** RealWalk.esp
30 SoT_Holiday.esp
31 Unsafe Streets.esp [Version 1.0]
** VA_BetterGold.esp
32 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3]
33 Crowded Cities 15.esp
34 Populated Prisons.esp [Version 1.2]
35 PTRoamingNPCs.esp
36 BookTrackerOBSE.esp
37 Display Stats.esp [Version 2.0.1]
38 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
39 Get Wet.esp
3A kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
3B MiscTracker.esp [Version 1.1]
3C P1DlookHereYou.esp
3D Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
3E Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1]
3F DLCHorseArmor.esp
40 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]
41 DLCOrrery.esp
42 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
43 DLCVileLair.esp
44 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]
45 P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
46 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
47 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
48 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
49 BlackLuster.esp
4A CapesandCloaks.esp
4B Classic Books.esp
4C DMACArmor.esp
4D Immersive Weapons.esp
4E MerryBellInn.esp
4F More_Shields.esp
50 Reaction - Additions Only.esp [Version 1.11]
51 DLCThievesDen.esp
52 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.13]
53 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.13]
54 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
55 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
56 Harvest[Containers].esp
57 GrayFoxOutfit.esp
58 EM_CompInnsleeping.esp [Version 0.9]
59 Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.41-Cobl]
++ BDBS - See You Sleep Patch.esp [Version 3.41]
5A BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.1.2]
5B FuseFruitMachine.esp [Version 1.0]
5C Hunter Mod.esp
5D MountainShackR13.esp
5E mythsandlegends.esp
5F Naughty_Joana_01.esp
60 PinePeakLodge.esp
61 SingingStablehandInn.esp
62 SleepyCatInn.esp
63 Tavern-Goers 2.esp
64 Travelers Inns.esp
65 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
66 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
67 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
68 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
69 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]
6A DLCFrostcrag.esp
6B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
6C Knights.esp
6D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.6]
6E More Effective Enchantments Knights.esp
6F SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]
70 RTT.esp
71 HoarfrostCastle.esp
72 Roads of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.0]
73 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
74 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
75 xulTheHeath.esp
76 xulEntiusGorge.esp [Version 1.2.1]
77 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
78 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.2]
79 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3]
7A xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5]
7B xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.5]
7C xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.3]
7D HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp
7E xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.4]
7F OblivionCollectibleCards-AncientYews patch.esp [Version 1.0]
80 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
81 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
82 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.4]
83 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
84 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
85 xulPantherRiver.esp
86 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
87 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]
88 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8]
89 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.1]
8A xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
8B Oblivion Collectible Cards UL Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp
8C xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.3]
8D xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8E xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.6]
8F OblivionCollectibleCards-Snowdale patch.esp [Version 1.0]
90 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.1.3]
91 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.4]
92 xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.2]
93 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.2]
94 MythsAndLegends2-EasternPeaks patch.esp [Version 1.0]
95 OblivionCollectibleCards-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.0]
96 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
97 ImpeREAL Forts + Silverfish River Patch.esp
98 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
99 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
9A Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
9B Diseased Corpses.esp
++ Real Lava 1.3.esp
9C Armored Skeletons (LL).esp
9D Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.2]
9E Cliff_RiskyInnBeds.esp
9F HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2]
A0 ExpandedGreetings.esp [Version 1.0]
A1 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
A2 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
A3 fadingtorches v1.3b.esp
A4 2nd to 1st person.esp
A5 GMArcheryRebalance.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Gold Change II.esp
A6 HarderRepairs_5.esp
A7 HelmetFOV.esp
++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp
A8 kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
A9 Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp [Version 1.0]
AA P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
AB PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
AC RedBag - Friendly Animals.esp
++ Short Grass V3.esp
AD Skill Perk Descriptions.esp [Version 1.1]
AE Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
AF ATakesAll.esp
B0 Immersive Mining.esp
B1 DurableEquipment_10.esp
B2 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
B3 RealisticFatigue.esp
++ DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
B4 RealisticHealth.esp
B5 RealisticForceMedium.esp
B6 PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp
B7 spelliconreplace.esp
B8 MidasSpells.esp
B9 FasterArrows175.esp
BA Spell Failure Chance.esp
++ Merchants Buy Stolen Goods.esp
BB StealthOverhaul.esp
BC Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp
BD Thievery_Normal.esp
BE BountyReductionOverTime_standard.esp [Version 1.1]
BF No psychic guards v1.2.esp
C0 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
C1 Denock Arrows.esp
C2 Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
C3 Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp
C4 HAZeatanimations.esp
** _darker_dungeons.esp
C5 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
C6 Companion Neeshka.esp
C7 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.0EV-L]
C8 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 2.0]
C9 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 6.0.0]
CA Better Imperial City.esp [Version 6.0.0]
CB Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 1.5]
CC Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 6.0.0]
CD Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 6.0.0]
CE Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 1.5]
CF Better Cities - Alternative Start Arrive by Ship.esp [Version 6.0.0]
++ Better Cities - MOBS.esp [Version 6.0.0]
D0 Better Cities Bravil - Unique Landscape Panther River patch.esp [Version 1.5]
D1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 1.5]
D2 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Snowdale.esp [Version 1.5]
D3 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 6.0.0]
++ Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 6.0.0]
D4 Better Cities IC Waterfront - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 1.5]
D5 Better Cities - Leyawiin Flooded.esp [Version 6.0.0]
D6 Better Cities - Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp [Version 6.0.0]
D7 Think to Yourself.esp
++ BadderFireFX.esp
++ BadderFrostFX.esp
++ BadderShockFX.esp
++ LightSpellEvilRed.esp
D8 MiniMap.esp
D9 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
++ Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp
DA Falling Leaves.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
DB Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
DC Bashed Patch, 0.esp



PS: I have another, minor, problem with the better cities esp in Wrye Bash. Every time I rebuild my bashed patch, a box appears stating , "deactivate these mod prior to patching Mergeable, but tagged 'NoMerge" , and better cities is always displayed. If I click yes and rebuild it, it ends up with my Better Cities.esp deactivated and the mod doesn't work. If I activate it, it works perfectly.



It's no biggie as I can simply activate the .esp after Weye finishes rebuilding the patch, but I can't help but feel the problem may be somewhat related to CTD problems I am encountering in the game...

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Post » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:33 am

you got already better cities that adds so many npcs. So start by removing:

Crowded Cities 15.esp


Also I would remove..


RenGuardOverhaul.esp (known to cause issues, lot of them)
P1DkeyChain.esp (causes bloat)


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